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Smallville - Season Two
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Posted by: TivoDaddy
Well, I finally watched the last three episodes of last season yesterday and I am ready for the new season. I am so excited about this show that I think I will watch it live (well, at least a 20 minute delay to FF through the commercials).
Anybody have any insights as to the direction they will be going? Will Clark's spaceship be in tune with him and start flying towards him? Any new powers you think he will develop? He is getting stronger and less vulnerable. Heat rays from his eyes? (I apologize ahead of time if that's not what that ability is called) ;)
Edit: We can use this thread to talk about the show. Like others have stated below, you can talk about the show without spoiler tags after the show has aired. So if you have not watched it, come back afterwards. :)
Posted by: John Kador
Well, rumor has it that he DOES indeed develop heat vision early this season, and one of his friends discovers his secret.
Posted by: Fleegle
quote:
Originally posted by John Kador
Well, rumor has it that he DOES indeed develop heat vision early this season, and one of his friends discovers his secret.
Spoilers for the first 5ish episodes of the season:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Pete discovers Clark's secret early this season. I believe it's before the 5th episode, and MAY be in the first episode or two. I'm glad to see Pete have a purpose in the show. Clark's heat vision starts early this year, and we get introduced to RED Krypto... err... Meteor Rocks.
Posted by: TiVoLance
I didn't read the spoiler above but TiVo guide data says next week Clark gets a new power and accidently harms Lana. Not really a spoiler since it's guide data but anywho it sounds very interesting.
Posted by: Hoffer
I'm curious how Clark saves Lana from the tornado. Does he fly up there and get her. Probably not because then he'd have a major new power. Maybe his spaceship saves them.
I'm really excited for tonight's episode!!
Posted by: Graymalkin
The producers said they're sticking to their mantra: "No flight, no tights." So if he does fly into that tornado, he's probably going to think that his strength allows him to maneuver inside it, not any innate ability to fly.
Posted by: TiVaholic
TiVoDaddy, I'm doing my homework now so I can watch it live (15 minute delay). I've been waiting for this for 4 months!
Posted by: TiVoLance
Well I was glued to my set from the season opener. Who can say what will happen this season. I do think Lex will FINALLY be moving on in his character development however.
Crossing my fingers and hoping that the Kryptonite of the week storylines are over.
Posted by: TiVaholic
Well, with the scenes from next week, it looks like he'll be getting the heat vision...(more movies and popcorn?) I don't know what they can do with that, though.
(If you haven't seen it, you shouldn't be here after it aired but before you watched it, so spoilers below are if you haven't seen it. In other words, go watch the show before you read this thread.)
When Jonathan and the reporter jumped into the cellar place and the house landed on it, these words just came out of my mouth without me thinking. "We're not in Kansas anymore." 2 seconds later I went "Oh, wait. We are!" I know it's stupid, but I find that amusing and I think they did that purposely.
The first 10 minutes of the show finally answered questions I've had for the past 4 months! I can't wait until next week. I take it this thread will become like the BB3 Discussion Thread? (It lasts the entire season, so there aren't 20 threads).
Posted by: Pan Chun
I'll be honest...the second I knew that
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Nixon was shot, I knew that Luthor was the one that shot him
. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
Posted by: buffan
I really liked this show last season, but didn't think this was a great start to season two. Nevertheless, I'm definitely keeping the SP.
A couple gripes:
1) Will they EVER find a budget for special effects on this show? As much as I liked Smallville last year, I almost cringed whenever any kind of effects scene was on. Even the stars seen from the Kents' barn were awful in previous episodes.
2) A little less predictable please. It seemed pretty obvious that Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
the reporter would die and that Lex would be the one to do it.
3) Can't anyone just see that Clark Kent is Superman?? Oops, sorry, I'm probably about 4-5 seasons too early on this one, huh?
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the rest of the season. They've got good young actors and mostly interesting characters. Hopefully the stories will match.
Posted by: buffan
quote:
Originally posted by Graymalkin
The producers said they're sticking to their mantra: "No flight, no tights."
I don't get this. I can understand the "no tights" thing to some extent, but no flying? I'm sorry, but the first thing that comes to mind for me with Superman is the flying, not the strength, x-ray vision, etc.
Does anybody know why they're skipping the flying? Or maybe I answered this question in my previous post: the effects are already bad, the effects for flying would probably be horrible.
Posted by: Pan Chun
quote:
Originally posted by buffan
ICan't anyone just see that Clark Kent is Superman?? Oops, sorry, I'm probably about 4-5 seasons too early on this one, huh?
Of course, the mere fact that you POSTED such info means that you are doomed to an online "suicide" soon, right? :eek:
Posted by: JYoung
quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
I'll be honest...the second I knew that
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Nixon was shot, I knew that Luthor was the one that shot him
. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
yes but it is key because
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
it's the first time that Lex has killed......
Posted by: buffan
Pan Chun, Believe it or not, I briefly considered a spoiler (after all, I think that you were one of the people who told me to use spoilers on "24" comments), but I draw the line at news that is, what, 50-60 yrs old? ;)
Posted by: T-Halen
Anyone else have a problem with their Smallville season pass?
I've got a Hughes DirecTiVo (v2.5.something). The only thing in the To-Do list for yesterday was the season premiere of Smallville.
I sat down at 8pm to watch Smallville on the TiVo last night (thought it was on from 7-8pm) and noticed two things.
1) The DirecTiVo wasn't recording anything (it's usually recording suggestions at least)
2) Smallville wasn't in the Now Playing list.
I quickly checked the Recording History and saw that the DirecTiVo had decided to cancel the recording, claiming that "someone in my household...." (I forget the exact wording, but something along the lines that someone cancelled the recording)
Since I'm the only one in the household and recording Smallville was the *only* thing it was supposed to do yesterday......I want to know why the DirecTiVo would do this to me.
Fortunately Smallville was on from 8-9pm and I had tuned in at something like 8:02pm and was able to force the DirecTiVo to record the season premiere and I didn't miss anything.
But why can't the DirecTiVo be trusted to do what it's been told?
Posted by: Bryanmc
I gotta say that I loved the show.
Smallville has become my favorite show on television right now (sorry Buffy) and this represents a 180 degree turn for me as I was DREADING this series. In fact, Smallville and Enterprise have both swapped positions. I thought Enterprise was going to be great and Smallville suck. They've reversed positions.
I loved this story. I thought the writing was great. I assumed from the season finale that Nixon would die (he had to) and I figured it would be Lex that did it, if Nixon wasn't killed in the tornado. However, I must say that there was a moment when I thought Jonathan might do it. Not the artificial one where he pried the stone of Nixon's legs but earlier when they're just wailing on each other. Great stuff.
I am continued to be impressed with Tom Welling. He's not just a pretty face, he actually brings life into this character. Very nice choice.
I could go on and on but I'll just say something about the flying. I love Superman. Flying is the coolest thing about Supes (IMO). I'd love to see Clark fly, but I don't want it to happen until it can be done right. By this I mean in the story and visually. I don't want it to come to the Lois and Clark "flying" where Superman jumps to the side of the camera while waving his cape. Ugghhh. I'm glad they got it out there, I loved it when Clark said "I think I was flying!" He had that perfect fix of fear, wonder, and excitement. However, I think we won't see much of this new ability until much later, probably in subsequent seasons.
Posted by: Rcrew
I'm on this band wagon, since the middle of last season. Spent the summer watching all the re-runs until we'd seen them all.
All in all, I liked the premier, they wrapped up most of the loose threads, except for the Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
space ship
. Guess they had to leave us hanging on something.
The one thing I question is Lana's feeble innocent acceptance of Clarks brushing off her memory of her rescue.
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
The one thing I question is Lana's feeble innocent acceptance of Clarks brushing off her memory of her rescue.
Oh, I don't think she did.
This is not the end of it, I'm sure.
Posted by: Fleegle
quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
[B
The one thing I question is Lana's feeble innocent acceptance of Clarks brushing off her memory of her rescue. [/B]
I don't question that for a second. First, when you're in that kind of traumatic situation, people "see" and "hear" all kinds of things to keep their sanity. It's a coping mechanism. Second, She had a concussion. Head injuries can cause WEIRD hallucinations.
Posted by: Rcrew
I just think from what I've seen of her, when she had Clark alone at the end, it was uncharacteristic that she wasn't just a bit more assertive.
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
I just think from what I've seen of her, when she had Clark alone at the end, it was uncharacteristic that she wasn't just a bit more assertive.
She will be. I think she's just trying to process everything right now. She mentioned that she's been thinking back to all the other times Clark has been there to help.
It will build in her, she'll watch Clark more closely now and she will confront him with it.
Posted by: harvscar
I think we have to forgive Lana the lack of her normal tenacity given that within the last 24 hours her "true love" left to join the military and her truck was swooped up by a tornado. This storyline will definitely build.
I personally think Michael Rosenbaum (Lex) is the star of the show. I am mesmerized by how he portrays his loyalty and fondness for Clark and his urge to know the truth. In many ways the writers of Smallville are setting up Lex's descension (ascension?) to evil better than Lucas is handling Vader's.
The scene with Chloe at the end, Clark better get a clue :mad: .
Posted by: Rcrew
quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
...It will build in her, she'll watch Clark more closely now and she will confront him with it.
Would have made a nice gotcha for last night's ending, and a better hanging thread if she'd have put a bit more into it.
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
Would have made a nice gotcha for last night's ending, and a better hanging thread if she'd have put a bit more into it.
Not for me. I think it was perfect.
The thread is hanging, big time, and I don't need any gotchas at the beginning of the season. Build up to it and hit me at the end. :D
Posted by: TivoDaddy
I thought if we stated up front after the first show to not use spoiler tags from now on, it will be easier to discuss things. So be warned, Spoilers will not be included in tags after this post (and below)!!
Spoilers below, you've been warned!
Bryan, I agree with you that they shouldn't show him flying until he's good at it. I don't want to see him flying like a clown a la Hinkley in "Greatest American Hero". But do you suppose the spaceship was the one that aided him up to Lana? I remember seeing it go up into the funnel. But wether or not it got to him before it lost the hexagon control module is still a mistery. BTW, I didn't like that part. The ship travels millions of miles unscathed, but it looses that chip with a small bump? All in all, a good show.
I was hoping that the relationship with Chloe would blossom.
Posted by: Pan Chun
quote:
Originally posted by TivoDaddy
I don't want to see him flying like a clown a la Hinkley in "Greatest American Hero".
Don't forget...after John Hinckley shot Reagan, suddenly William Katt's character was known as "Ralph Hanley"! :eek:
Posted by: vertigo235
quote:
Originally posted by TivoDaddy
The ship travels millions of miles unscathed, but it looses that chip with a small bump? All in all, a good show.
Yeah, Jarel must have built that ship on a friday!
Posted by: Pan Chun
Jor-El?
Posted by: DanT
quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
Don't forget...after John Hinckley shot Reagan, suddenly William Katt's character was known as "Ralph Hanley"! :eek:
I don't ever remember them referring to him as Hanley. I only remember they switched to "Mr. H" whenever the students called him by name.
As for the Lana situation, she has two possibilities in her mind. One is that Clark was really there. The other is that she just imagined it. If she (thinks she) just imagined it, then she has to consider that an indication of her own desires. Either way, Clark is in good with her now. :)
Oh, and for the record, it wasn't her truck, it was Whitney's (her boyfriend's).
Posted by: SachinM
Regarding the flying, in either the 1st or 2nd episode, Clark had a dream in which he was flying, and when he woke up, he found himself a few feet above the bed. Seconds later, he came crashing down, like the coyote in a road runner cartoon. He even told his dad about it. So I guess, he doesn't fly because he doesn't actually believe that he can
Posted by: vertigo235
quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
Jor-El?
Yeah that guy :)
Posted by: Philosofy
Is it just me, or is that actress who plays Chloe doing a great job or what? Going from a sunny smile to having her heart ripped out in the space of seconds, I think she's only second to SMG on BTVS.
Posted by: Graymalkin
Yes, Alison Mack is doing a superb job. In fact, they all are. It's one reason why I really like this show.
Someday, though... birds gotta sing, Clark's gotta fly!
It's been said long before, but I think it bears repeating -- the producers insist that Clark is going to wind up with NOT Lana and NOT Chloe, but with Lois Lane. Perhaps they're trying to show us that Clark will fall for Lois because she embodies the best things about Lana and Chloe in one package. JMYHO.
Posted by: Philosofy
Well, it looks like Clark comes close to losing his virginity next week, but the hormones start his heat vision up. Could that be Lois (I doubt it.) Should be interesting!
Posted by: mrmike
quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
Is it just me, or is that actress who plays Chloe doing a great job or what? Going from a sunny smile to having her heart ripped out in the space of seconds, I think she's only second to SMG on BTVS.
It's not just you. I've been ambivalent about some of the side talents on the show, but Allison Mack isn't one of them. I've always felt Pete is written so-so, Lana annoys me nearly as often as she interests me, and Lex is brilliant at times, but Chloe is just right there all the time. She's one of the best parts of the show.
-MM
Posted by: TivoDaddy
quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
Well, it looks like Clark comes close to losing his virginity next week, but the hormones start his heat vision up. Could that be Lois (I doubt it.) Should be interesting!
Hmm, from the description of the episode it's more like it might be the new teacher seducing Lex. You really don't see who she's in an embrace, I think it was just good editing to make you believe that it was Clark.
BTW, what year in school are they supposed to be? Are they Juniors or Seniors now?
Posted by: Philosofy
I think they just finished freshman year. The series premiere stated that they grabbed some freshman to do the scarecrow thing (they grabbed Clark), and it looks like they just got out for summer break. Whitney would have been older, but Clark, Lana, and Pete are in the same year.
Posted by: mwhip
quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
I think they just finished freshman year. The series premiere stated that they grabbed some freshman to do the scarecrow thing (they grabbed Clark), and it looks like they just got out for summer break. Whitney would have been older, but Clark, Lana, and Pete are in the same year.
So Lana (Freshmen) was dating a Senior (Whitney). But all the Freshmen drive (Lana, Clark, Pete and Chloe)?????
I know it's a small town, but come on.
And the editor of the newspaper is a Freshmen (Chloe)???
And I always thought Metropolis was farther from Smallville. Not able to be seen from a weather vane. But I never read the comic.
I am only one who wants to see a cameo by Christopher Reeve? But maybe they are waiting until he gets better.
Posted by: mishagray
quote:
Originally posted by mwhip
So Lana (Freshmen) was dating a Senior (Whitney). But all the Freshmen drive (Lana, Clark, Pete and Chloe)?????
I know it's a small town, but come on.
And the editor of the newspaper is a Freshmen (Chloe)???
And I always thought Metropolis was farther from Smallville. Not able to be seen from a weather vane. But I never read the comic.
I am only one who wants to see a cameo by Christopher Reeve? But maybe they are waiting until he gets better.
A agree about the driving... Seems a little stretch.
As for Christopher Reeve:
He has already apeared in this:
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0166322
and directed this:
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0119362
Since the accident. Seems like he's ready to act!
Posted by: mishagray
quote:
Originally posted by mwhip
So Lana (Freshmen) was dating a Senior (Whitney). But all the Freshmen drive (Lana, Clark, Pete and Chloe)?????
I know it's a small town, but come on.
And the editor of the newspaper is a Freshmen (Chloe)???
And I always thought Metropolis was farther from Smallville. Not able to be seen from a weather vane. But I never read the comic.
I am only one who wants to see a cameo by Christopher Reeve? But maybe they are waiting until he gets better.
Hey: Looks like you only have to be 14 to get a permit and 15 to drive alone in Kansas:
http://www.ksrevenue.org/dmv/teen_driving_guide.html
So maybe kids finishing freshman year in Smallville year CAN DRIVE!
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by mwhip
And I always thought Metropolis was farther from Smallville. Not able to be seen from a weather vane. But I never read the comic.
Yes. This has been discussed by the producers. It really represents the biggest change in the Superman universe. Metropolis has always "been" New York but they've moved it to Kansas.
Another note, I'm really glad to have seen John Glover (Lionel Luthor) in the opening credits. I really like him and thought he's played the part great.
Now it looks like he'll be something of a regular and maybe we'll see some a better dynamic between him and Lex after the events of late.
Posted by: Graymalkin
quote:
Originally posted by mishagray
I agree about the driving... Seems a little stretch.
And so is letting a 15-year-old girl own and run a movie theater/restaurant.
I've always considered Metropolis to be Chicago. (If anyone remembers the giant "Superman vs. Spider-Man" comic from the 1970s, Clark, Jimmy, and Lois left Metropolis to visit New York and run into Peter and Mary Jane.)
Posted by: Philosofy
I always considered Metropolis to be NYC, and Gotham to be Newark NJ. Central City (the Flash) was Chicago, and Coast City (Green Lantern) was LA.
Posted by: Pan Chun
Turns out NOW that Central City and it's co-city across the river, Keystone City are more like Kansas City, MO and Kansas City, KN. Also, I always thought of Coast City as more San Diego than L.A.
Posted by: Xaa
Honesty and Trust.
Upon these two things doors can open to endless possibilities. In the absence of these two things, endless possibilities will be unrealized.
I'm not a Superman Comic Guy, so I don't know if it's all covered there, but for me since the beginning there are instances where Lex has opportunities to be honest with Clark and vice versa yet the strength of their friendship is enough to provide it. Last night, Lana told Clark "you know you can tell me anything right?" and Clark had an opportunity to grow his relationship with her and for obvious reasons chose not to do it.
When everything becomes undone, I believe it will be this unwillingness to be honest that undermines the relationships between Clark and Lex, and Clark and Lana.
Xaa
Posted by: TiVaholic
quote:
Originally posted by mishagray
Hey: Looks like you only have to be 14 to get a permit and 15 to drive alone in Kansas:
http://www.ksrevenue.org/dmv/teen_driving_guide.html
So maybe kids finishing freshman year in Smallville year CAN DRIVE!
Hey Mom, can we move to Kansas? :D Nah, I don't want to leave my school and friends.
Posted by: ClutchBrake
quote:
Originally posted by Graymalkin
And so is letting a 15-year-old girl own and run a movie theater/restaurant.
As I recall, Lex owns The Talon, not Lana. He was going to turn it into a parking lot and she convinced him it would make more money as a theater/coffee house. I do think the idea of letting her run it is preposterous.
Posted by: Graymalkin
We could assume that every student in that school was held back for a years, after the meteor shower destroyed the town, so that all the freshmen are really 15 years old... :D
And that this is a senior high school (grades 10-12), so that they're all really 16 years old... :D :D
And that kryptonite has accelerated everyone's maturation, so that they're really 16 but they look like they're 18... :D :D :D
Posted by: WinBear
I think Chloe must be a year ahead of Clark, Pete and Lana, since she seemed to have already been the newspaper editor for a year.
Posted by: buffan
This is the best answer that I could find to the "how old are they" question. It implies that Pete, at least, was a sophomore last year (assuming that he contacted his own class treasurer, as opposed to somebody from another class).
Interesting that the Smallville High School student directory on this site specifically doesn't mention the class that each student is in.
Smallville Torch article
If the pilot did actually say that the upper classmen "strung up" a freshman each year, then maybe Clark is younger than Pete. Or maybe they just broke the rule because Whitney REALLY didn't like Clark.
Posted by: tstowell
quote:
Originally posted by TiVaholic
Hey Mom, can we move to Kansas? :D Nah, I don't want to leave my school and friends.
Oh yes it is true. I grew up in KS. I got my learner permit when I turned 14.
Travis
Posted by: JYoung
quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
Turns out NOW that Central City and it's co-city across the river, Keystone City are more like Kansas City, MO and Kansas City, KN. Also, I always thought of Coast City as more San Diego than L.A.
I always considered Coast City to be Los Angeles and Star City as San Francisco or San Diego. If Central-Keystone is Kansas City, then Midway City would be Chicago. I'm guessing that Ivy Town would be New Haven or Cambridge.
So my question is where is Fawcett City? :D
Posted by: Pan Chun
I'm still sticking with San Diego for Coast City...especially after it was wiped out by War World 7 or 8 years ago! ;) I always thought Star City was more like Seattle or Portland. Fawcett City, I'm thinking, is more like Baltimore or possibly farther south, like Winston-Salem or Greenville. How about Opal City? :)
BTW--Gotham is DEFINITELY in New Jersey. A few years back they showed Batman's driver's license in one of his titles and it clearly said "Gotham City, NJ" on it.
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by buffan
If the pilot did actually say that the upper classmen "strung up" a freshman each year, then maybe Clark is younger than Pete. Or maybe they just broke the rule because Whitney REALLY didn't like Clark.
The pilot did say that and both Clark and Pete were afraid of it. They both wanted to join the football team because they figured the team wouldn't pick "one of their own" to string up.
Clark and Pete have been friends for a long time. They are both the same age and they were both Freshmen last season. I'm not sure where we are in the school year at this point.
quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
I'm still sticking with San Diego for Coast City...especially after it was wiped out by War World 7 or 8 years ago! ;)
Oh Pan, was that a great story. I still have all those issues. So freakin' cool. Cyborg Superman RULED! :D
Posted by: DanT
quote:
Originally posted by mishagray
Hey: Looks like you only have to be 14 to get a permit and 15 to drive alone in Kansas:
http://www.ksrevenue.org/dmv/teen_driving_guide.html
So maybe kids finishing freshman year in Smallville year CAN DRIVE!
I grew up in Kansas, although they've changed the rules since I got my first license in 1983 (July 5th to be exact.) At that time, you could get a learner's permit at 13.5 years old, and a restricted license at 14, and a regular/unrestricted license at 16. A learner's permit wasn't required before getting the restricted license. Now (according to that site) they've upped those limits to 14, 15, and 16, and require 6 months on the learner's permit before getting the restricted license. The restrictions are the same as they were when I got mine: only to/from work or school, unless a licensed driver over 18 years old is with you. When I had mine, it had to be a licensed Kansas driver over 18, and they had to be sitting next to you (ostensibly to be able to take control of the wheel). I wouldn't be surprised if those requirements were still in effect and just not spelled out on that website.
So it's entirely possible (even likely) that they all have driver's licenses. And if they're like most KS teenagers, they don't pay much attention to the "only to/from work/school" rule until they get pulled over.
I got my restricted license when I was 14, after completing Driver's Ed during summer school before my Freshman year. That was my parent's requirement, no license until I'd taken (and of course passed) Driver's Ed. My sister was two years younger than me, and decided she didn't want to "waste" the summer of 1985 in a Driver's Ed class. In the fall, she couldn't get into the DE class because it was full and she was only a freshman. Then in November we moved from KS to CA. By this time I was 16 (the minimum age in CA) and had already had my license for over 2 years, so I just took the written and vision tests and traded in my KS license for a CA license. My sister, however, was screwed. She was only 14, and hadn't gotten her KS license before leaving, so she had to wait two more years before getting her license. Ha-Ha! (Of course, that meant I had to drive her around a lot. :( )
Posted by: cancermatt
I REALLY thought I read how "Smallville" creators would stray from Kryptonite-monsters-of-the-week theme this season, it's the only reason I'm keeping the SP, but yet, it seems, here we go again. I also thought that same chat (Comic Con this year, if I'm thinking right) that they were joking when they said something about red Kryptonite, but now I read from someone else's post that this is going to happen? Any info?
And yet the sappiness continues, something I was upset about ALL last season.
However, Clark *WAS* flying into the tornado, the makers just had an excuse to blame it on something else. Here's to hoping he will "will" himself to fly in the future (not future seasons) along with his heat vision.
Also thought I read that Pete and Chloe form a relationship (or maybe that was the comic?) this season...
Matt -- still upset each time someone "discovers" Clark's powers, they are killed off (only one person - a kid?- knows about his powers, right?)
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by cancermatt
Matt -- still upset each time someone "discovers" Clark's powers, they are killed off (only one person - a kid?- knows about his powers, right?)
The electric guy from the pilot found out and didn't die. But he did lose his memory of the events after his coma.
Likewise, Lex found out while under the influence of the handshaker guy, but also didn't remember anything.
The kid from "Stray" is the only other person, that we know of, besides the Kents that know of Clark's powers.
What sappiness upset you?
Posted by: hanumang
quote:
Originally posted by cancermatt
Matt -- still upset each time someone "discovers" Clark's powers, they are killed off (only one person - a kid?- knows about his powers, right?)
Ah, but...
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Then you chould enjoy the 8th episode of the season. Ryan, the mind-reading child from "Stray" will return. And I thought we'd never see him again.
Should make for some interesting character & plot issues.
Posted by: Bryanmc
I just watched the premiere again and have a new question from the show.
When Clark, Chloe and Pete were at the trailer house looking for Clark's dad, Jonathan and Nixon hear something and start shouting.
Either Chloe or Pete asked if anyone heard something after the cave collapsed that Nixon was in.
Question: Why wasn't Clark able to hear his dad yelling? I suppose he hasn't developed super-hearing yet. Has there been any indication in any other shows that he has super-hearing? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
Posted by: harvscar
I thought that Clark heard Lana yelling for help in an episode once. I remember them being at the top of some windmill structure during the episode. If he does have super hearing they haven't illustrated it like the x-ray vision.
Posted by: keefer37
Ok, I just finally watched the season premiere last night. I loved the first season and hope this season is just as good.
Last season, we were still using TW Cable and had this annoying buzz and weird ghosting coming off the white areas in the picture. It happened on everything on WB. Well, now that we're on DirecTV, even though it's the same affiliate via locals, the picture is better and that white ghosting and buzz is all gone. Yet another I welcome DirecTV into my house with arms wide open! :P
Anyway, can't wait for next week's episode. Oh wait, it's on tonight. That's another thing I like about TiVo. By the time I get around to watching shows, there's a short time til the next one is on. :)
Edit: Oh and I'm with ByanMC on this one -- Smallville has turned out to be my favorite show on TV right now.
Posted by: jlb
Last night's episode was quite hot. ;-)
But next week looks to be real enlightening!
Posted by: keefer37
I enjoyed it a lot. I think season two is gonna live up to the first. The only thing, is every episode going to have Lana talking about honesty to Clark, trying to get him to bite?
Posted by: Rcrew
Good episode overall. A bit disappointed that they didn't do anything with the hanging Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
space ship thread
.
But I'm starting to see some things that should be questioned and seem to be ignored IE: Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
when Lex's wife grabs the door handle that Clark super heated and burns her hand, no one noticed? No one would believe the heat from Lex's flaming back would be enough. Clark could have just as easily fused the latch.
I laughed and enjoyed seeing Clark Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
learn to tune his heat vision by lighting all the candles. And how opportune to create a romantic setting for the attempted seduction... too bad it wasn't Lana... and the scenes with Jonathan & Clark, and Martha regarding what was bringing on the heat vision were great stuff!
I read Superman as a kid, but not as an adult, so maybe I'm mis-remembering this. But I thought Superman's flight ability came directly from his Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
heat vision
. Since he now has that, will flight be so far away?
Posted by: Bryanmc
Rcrew -
Point 1: Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The promos for next week show that we will see plenty of spaceship action. My assumption as to why they hadn't been searching for it all summer was that they figured it flew away somewhere. (Martha saw it leave)
The rest of the points don't really need spoiler tags as the episode has already aired. So there will be untagged spoilers below for the 10/01 episode.
Point 2: That is a questionable point. On the one hand it is very unusual/suspicious. On the other, I don't really think it could point to Clark in any way. But good point about fusing the lock.
Point 3: My faith for the creators remains strong. I was sweating (no pun intended) half way through this episode. I was so afraid they were going to make it where Clark has to get horny every time he wants to use his heat vision. Thank God they moved on. When Clark said, "Once I figured out how to trigger it, it became easy to control," I breathed a sigh of relief.
Kudos to the writers for having this power emerge in such a unique way but not pushing it too far by always having some sexual relationship with the heat vision. If this was the case then Supes had been wear something a little stronger than tights or whenever he uses heat vision he might show more than the average person wants to see. ;)
Point 4: I've never heard this, nor understand how it would affect flying. Generally it's been told that since Superman gets his powers from the sun that the heat vision is solar energy being pushed back out in the form of heat. Of course that's just a clever way of explaining the power but I don't think flying and heat vision are connected in the way you're describing. In any event, we've already had two cases of "flying" without the help of the heat vision.
And I'm sticking to my thought that we won't see any more flying for a long time. Probably not in this season.
Posted by: Rcrew
quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Point 4: I've never heard this, nor understand how it would affect flying. Generally it's been told that since Superman gets his powers from the sun that the heat vision is solar energy being pushed back out in the form of heat. Of course that's just a clever way of explaining the power but I don't think flying and heat vision are connected in the way you're describing. In any event, we've already had two cases of "flying" without the help of the heat vision.
I don't think I dreamed it up, but I don't remember where I got the idea. But lets take a moment and Analise it.
First, Superman isn't a magician, wizard, god, or supernatural in any way. He has some special powers, but he can't just defy gravity. Second, I don't think his flying could possibly just be from leg strength, IE: one big jump. So, to me, it makes sense that he could fly by heating the air around him. The problem I have with that, comes from the first movie when he flys around the world so fast that he goes back in time, as there's no air in space.
Something to think about.
Posted by: Philosofy
I can't believe no one commented on the horny humpin' lions. I lauged at that, just because I didn't think they would show it. As for the burned hand, they could just say she got it from Lex's back, and didn't notice it until she grabbed the knob. At least that's what I would assume.
Next week looks big. My prediction: Pete finds out the truth, but Lana suspects, and won't trust Clark anymore. That will push Clark into Chloe's arms, but Lana might share her suspicions with her new best friend, so....
Boy, I'm glad I never got into soap operas.
Posted by: Philosofy
PS: Tom Welling IS Superman. He looks much older in the little shots they have of the cast between breaks. He could do Superman better than anyone out there, IMHO. I'd love to see a picture of him in the tights.
Posted by: Rcrew
quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Rcrew -
Point 2: That is a questionable point. On the one hand it is very unusual/suspicious. On the other, I don't really think it could point to Clark in any way. But good point about fusing the lock.
I'm interested to see how other Smallville fans weigh in on this one. No offense intended, but I think this goes beyond suspension of disbelief or what ever it's called.
Admittedly there were only 4 people who were first hand witnesses to the incident. Two of them will never reveal what's going on, and one of them as a criminal would likely be ignored. But the 3rd, Lex, is the most curious about Clark of all. Now Clark just saved his life, but I'll be Lex's curiosity overcomes that gratitude shortly.
I wonder if this is a planted act that will one day come back in a future story. You just know that Lex files every detail he observes for future reference.
The way Mrs. Luther grabbed the handle, and just hung on, you know there was not only a burn, but probably the outline and pattern of the handle burned into her hand. Perhaps it was over acting or mis-acting on her part. If she'd have just grabbed it quickly and let go, I would think different. But she hung on for a while. That is what makes it all stick out in my mind as something that just can't be overlooked so easily.
Posted by: keefer37
Philosofy, I'm thinking you're right pretty much overall with your prediction. That's what I was thinking.
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
I don't think I dreamed it up, but I don't remember where I got the idea. But lets take a moment and Analise it.
First, Superman isn't a magician, wizard, god, or supernatural in any way. He has some special powers, but he can't just defy gravity. Second, I don't think his flying could possibly just be from leg strength, IE: one big jump. So, to me, it makes sense that he could fly by heating the air around him. The problem I have with that, comes from the first movie when he flys around the world so fast that he goes back in time, as there's no air in space.
Something to think about.
I agree with your thoughts be we also have to remember that when Superman was bestowed these powers they did just "magically" happen. He could fly because he could fly. No scientific explanation was given. The heat vision explanation I mentioned was something that tried to explain the power after it was created. So there may not be a good scientific explanation for all the powers Supes was given 50 years ago. In fact, Stan Lee once said that when he created on character with wings (Angel or Birdman or something) that he gave him wings because he wanted a character that could fly for a reason. Not just fly because he "could."
As far as the movie, Jor-El says to Lara that Kal-El will "defy their gravity." Not "heat the air around him to be able to fly."
In addition, originally Superman could only jump, not fly. That's where we get the "able to leap tall buildings in a single bound" from.
Posted by: TivoDaddy
Rcrew and Bryanmc and all, I think we can post without the spoiler tags in this thread, since we have the other. How do I get one of the mods to edit the title to include "(spoilers)"?
You would think that by now somebody has found the ship. How long has it been in their world since the tornados came to town?
I loved the way they showed the heat vision. Far better than the Sup movies with the laser rays.
Posted by: Rcrew
Went poking around the web, and found this Superman Powers Site. Here's a quote about flight:quote:
In the early years of his super-heroic career, Superman was not endowed with the power of flight. Although he possessed superhuman speed, he moved from place to place by running or by executing gigantic leaps. Month by month, however, Superman's running speed increased, along with the length of his leaps and the complexity of the aerial maneuvers he was able to perform once he had left the ground. The transition from leaping to actual flying was extraordinarily gradual and was punctuated with a great deal of inconsistency. Not until May 1943 is Superman explicitly referred to as a "being who can fly like a bird" and not until later that same year can it be said, without qualification, that Superman actually possesses the power of flight.
By 1945, Superman is able to fly from Metropolis to Burma in the wink of an eye. "Light travels 186,000 miles a second, but has nothing on Superman," notes the text, "who finds himself hovering over the jungles of Burma in the wink of an eye!"
In November 1946, Superman demonstrates the ability to stand invisibly on one spot by oscillating his body so fast that the human eye cannot see him. During this same period, Superman protects bystanders at a navy yard from the effects of a devastating explosion by spinning around the blast area at super-speed. With the speed of light, Superman makes a wall of his revolving body, through which the expanding gases of the explosive cannot penetrate. Then, funneling upward, Superman directs the blast toward the sky.
In August 1947, Superman successfully photographs a series of past events by flying into outer space faster than the speed of light and overtaking the light waves leaving Earth which contain the images of the events he wants to record on film.
Doesn't talk about my thoughts at all. But it doesn't really seem to address it either. There's more about how his powers evolved, and changed over time. To summarize I think you could say he started with limited powers, like being able to jump over a building, and ended up being able to snuff a star with his breath.
Interesting reading.
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by TivoDaddy
You would think that by now somebody has found the ship. How long has it been in their world since the tornados came to town?
I loved the way they showed the heat vision. Far better than the Sup movies with the laser rays.
Apparently the summer has passed since the storms so it's been about 3 months.
I also liked the heat vision effect. Very neat. Makes it really seem more like heat vision than laser vision.
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
Went poking around the web, and found this Superman Powers Site. Here's a quote about flight:
Doesn't talk about my thoughts at all. But it doesn't really seem to address it either. There's more about how his powers evolved, and changed over time. To summarize I think you could say he started with limited powers, like being able to jump over a building, and ended up being able to snuff a star with his breath.
Interesting reading.
Yeah, many of his powers did evolve. In fact, kryptonite was created by the radio show, not the comics.
You show Supes powers in the "Silver Age." He got VERY powerful, almost god-like and was eventually remastered to not be quite as strong. In fact, at one point Superman was able to hear a whisper a galaxy away. :rolleyes: That's pushing it.
Now, he's not able to snuff a star with his breath, or hear a whisper a galaxy away. His powers are significantly reduced (speaking from the comics point of view) and many don't like how far they've receded.
However, he can still fly. :D
Posted by: Graymalkin
quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
His powers are significantly reduced (speaking from the comics point of view) and many don't like how far they've receded.
However, he can still fly. :D
Count me in that category. When watching "Justice League" on the Toon Network, it sometimes seems to me that Supes lags behind Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Hawkgirl, and even Batman in his ability to affect the outcome. Only Flash seems to be more useless.
Posted by: Pan Chun
Well, if he were still as powerful as he was "back in the day", all the other characters would be superfluous. He really DID need to be "brought down a peg", if for no other reason than to be made INTERESTING.
How interesting is it to have a completely invincible GOD in a story? There's no drama, no tension, no sense of "gosh, maybe he WON'T come out of this unscathed...!" As far as the comics went, it was necessary to humanize him and diminish his abilities somewhat...all the writers were complaining that there was nowhere to go with him because he was just too damn powerful!
Posted by: Bryanmc
I agree that he did get too powerful. However, on the flip side, they've really wimped him out lately. Need to find that happy medium.
Posted by: warrenevans
quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
IMHO. I'd love to see a picture of him in the tights.
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Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by warrenevans
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Don't worry about it. Phil's an admitted closet homosexual.
Posted by: Pan Chun
And he keeps the tights in the closet with him.
Posted by: DanT
As for the problem with the heated door handle and Lex's suspicions, I'm also wondering about the bullet. Lex won't find a bullet hole (he must assume that Johnathon missed), and that'll be just one more thing to go into his Clark-weirdness file.
And this episode did seem a little more soap-opera-ish than usual. Not much, just enough to notice.
Posted by: jbondsr
quote:
Originally posted by Rcrew
I don't think I dreamed it up, but I don't remember where I got the idea. But lets take a moment and Analise it.
First, Superman isn't a magician, wizard, god, or supernatural in any way. He has some special powers, but he can't just defy gravity. Second, I don't think his flying could possibly just be from leg strength, IE: one big jump. So, to me, it makes sense that he could fly by heating the air around him. The problem I have with that, comes from the first movie when he flys around the world so fast that he goes back in time, as there's no air in space.
Something to think about.
I think most of his powers Flying, heat vision restandinding collasping buildings are from his advance mental pwers. He is an alien and flyin using telekinsis <sp> or keeping the building from falling apart as puts back on its foundation is possible
Posted by: cancermatt
With everyone seemingly comparing the Movie version to the Comic version to the Radio version to the TV version, I think there's way too many comparisons going on. Like I've said in past forums, each continuity seems to be just a little different from the other and none are held to the exact same rules.
Myself, I hold all future incarnations compared *only* to the comic book versions of various titles (Batman, Superman, Birds of Prey, Teen Titans, GI Joe, Transformers, The Justice League, etc.) because that's the main version I grew up with and to me, it seems every other version takes "license" with the property to seemingly be different, just for the sake of it, thus I'm never too enthused about newer versions. And, comic books are usually the origination of the source material.
Smallville should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt, 'cause this is not the "true" incarnation and will be different in a lot of ways. But it is another TV version that is usually enjoyable. At least, whenever lines like these are spoken:
Lex (loosely taken from Heat): Clark, your friendship means more to me than my marriage.
Lana to Chloe: Let's be best friends, and not let Clark get between it, even though we're longing after the same guy and competing against each other to gain his attention.
Matt, rolling his eyes for the millionth time at Smallville
Posted by: Philosofy
quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Don't worry about it. Phil's an admitted closet homosexual.
No, that was you and Doom1701 (or was it Ybrew?). C'mon man, get it straight! I know I am :)
Posted by: ClutchBrake
quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Point 3: My faith for the creators remains strong. I was sweating (no pun intended) half way through this episode. I was so afraid they were going to make it where Clark has to get horny every time he wants to use his heat vision.
Jesus, if heat vision shot out of my eyes every time I was horny Arkansas would make the Colorado wildfires seem like a camp fire.
I liked the episode, but I am not near as fierce about the reality of what could/should happen. I don't see how many of you enjoy any shows at all.
Posted by: bobcarn
OK. Some thoughts of my own here. I admit I'm coming into this thread late, but I've been having so much fun with a bunch of new games I bought, I forgot to check out this forum.
Rcrew. As to why nobody suspects Clark when he heated that door handle... why should they? We all know about Superman, and heat vision, and secret identities, so we would be suspicious. For them though, there is no Superman or super-powered beings or aliens or Krypton. Lex's back is on fire and Johnathon just tried to kill him. He don't give a rat's ass about a hot door handle. As for the woman... she just got arrested for attempted murder. She's got other things on her mind. And even if she did ask "Why was the handle hot?", everyone would be like... "I don't know what you're talking about."
Flying. I don't mind that he's not flying. I would like to see some of his powers remain undeveloped for quite a while yet. If he gets all of his powers, then it's not "Smallville" anymore, but "Superman". The fun is in the journey, not the arrival. Let him deal with what he has now and leave flight as something that'll come during the end of the series.
Superpowers over the years. Yeah, Supes started out pretty weak (by today's comparison) when he was created. But for some reason they developed his powers over the years to make him almost god-like. It got to the point where all of DCs heroes were so massively overpowered it was ridiculous. Even as a kid, I had problems with the idea that the Flash could run faster than light or up walls. Why didn't he just fly off the wall from momentum? If he can move faster than light, then how could anybody possibly pose a threat to him? He could have every criminal in the city confined to a cell in the space of a second or two. Same with Supes. He was able to fly faster than light, lift mountains, blah blah blah. It was so ridiculous that nothing could even hope to have a chance against him. His speed alone would allow him to stop someone the instant they even thought of doing anything!!!! So DC totally revamped their line.
"Crisis on Infinite Earths" let them kill off a lot of troublesome characters and abilities. Since the Flash is dead, Kid Flash took his place. And his speed is a comfortable 750 mph, not 186,000 miles per second! Superman is strong and fast, but not ridiculously so. John Byrne (the guy who was redoing Superman when they toned him down a bit), in spite of the fact that he's a total commercialized talentless jerk, did give Supes a more believable and exciting power level.
As for his flying ability, they think that it's some kind of field that he generates around his body that lifts him.
Myself, I always liked the way Storm or Angel (Marvel Comics) flew. One had wings and the other lifted herself with winds generated by her elemental powers. I think wings rule! If I could have any one change myself, it would be to have wings since that would just be too cool.
Posted by: Rcrew
Hey Bob, interesting comment. I see your point. But so much weird stuff happens, and happened there. I'm kind of stuck on the look of the burn. It's probably hokey, but remember the medallion in one of the Indiana Jones movies, where one side of the heated medallion was burned into the crooks palm?
If in fact the image of the ornate door handle did get imprinted onto her palm, that's different than just a burn. Someone would notice, presumably a paramedic that would be on site, and know there was no fire damage to that area of the room. And why did the actress hold on to the handle so long? Isn't your first reaction to something hot to violently jerk your hand back? Yet she seemingly deliberately held on.
And let's not forget what DanT brought up about the missing, melted bullet. Is there a curious puddle of lead on the floor? Will Lex find that, when he also finds the absence of a bullet hole in the wall?
I like this show, and just find it fun to discuss these ideas. I'm not trying to nit pick, just enjoying the story. And I just wonder if these two specific things are just poorly thought out parts of the story, or further seeds for Lex's suspicions of Clark.
Don't know of another way to deal with the bullet. But as I said before, Clark could have fused the lock instead of heating up the handle.
Posted by: joseph2002
this is a fantastic show!! Thanks for the info/spoilers!!!
Posted by: bobcarn
I saw the promo for next week, and my guess (it's a guess because I didn't read anything officially stating it) is that Pete Ross finds out about Clark. I had posted this last season, wondering if Pete would find out about Clark because in the comics, Pete knew about him. In the comics though, Clark didn't know that Pete knew. It'll be interesting to see what they do here.
Interesting comment about the bullet rcrew. I guess there would be melted lead somewhere in the walls. My only complaint about the bullet is that I don't believe that there was enough time for the bullet to melt like that. I don't think even an adult Superman, as he appears in the comics, would be able to vaporize a bullet in that short a distance, so I doubt that Clark, just learning about his heat vision, would be able to. And the lead would have to be vaporized totally because even if it was just melted, then melted lead would be hitting Lex at the speed and force of a bullet.
Why do they make bullets out of lead? Don't they know that lead is toxic?
I was wondering when they'd get around to finding that spaceship. I can't wait till next week to see what happens. My guess is that the Kents get it back. So far, the only clue to his past that the Kents gave Clark is the spaceship. If that were to disappear, I don't see how he could find out that he came from Krypton. There would have to be some other kind of artifact that the Kents didn't admit to having yet, and I don't see them holding back anything from Clark at this point. So I believe the Kents will get it back... eventually. Not necessarily this next episode (though I don't think the writers have enough foresight to stretch it out over a whole season or two).
Posted by: Bryanmc
quote:
Originally posted by bobcarn
Not necessarily this next episode (though I don't think the writers have enough foresight to stretch it out over a whole season or two).
Why do you say that? The writing team on Smallville has continuously surpassed my expectations. I doubted them at first (very strongly) and have now reached a point where not only do I trust them, but will give them the benefit of the doubt.
I'm not saying they will stretch it out over multiple episodes, but I do think they've got the foresight and ability to do it and do it right.
Posted by: jhausmann
quote:
Originally posted by bobcarn
Why do they make bullets out of lead? Don't they know that lead is toxic?
Lead is mallable. At high impact the bullet speads out and does more damage.
Who cares about toxicity when you've got a large, bleeding hole?:rolleyes:
Posted by: bobcarn
quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
Who cares about toxicity when you've got a large, bleeding hole?:rolleyes:
Uh, duh! LOL. I was just being silly. ;)
Posted by: Philosofy
I think the lead was vaporized.
Posted by: johnjohn
quote:
Originally posted by cancermatt
But it is another TV version that is usually enjoyable. At least, whenever lines like these are spoken:
Lex (loosely taken from Heat): Clark, your friendship means more to me than my marriage.
Lana to Chloe: Let's be best friends, and not let Clark get between it, even though we're longing after the same guy and competing against each other to gain his attention.
Matt, rolling his eyes for the millionth time at Smallville
Come on. The eye-rolling starts with the first season!
Clark to Lana (paraphrase): You mean the boyfriend of yours who crucified me?
Lana (dismayed): You still hold that against him?
Posted by: JediCowboyD
quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
Lead is mallable. At high impact the bullet speads out and does more damage.
Who cares about toxicity when you've got a large, bleeding hole?:rolleyes:
I don't think that's quite correct, though the malleability of lead is important. It has more to do with the lead expanding inside the barrel of the gun or rifle.
The expanding lead traps more of the expanding gas behind the bullet and therefore had more gas pushing against it instead of escaping around it resulting in higher velocities.
In addition the malleable lead more easily forces the bullet to conform to the rifling inside of a rifle barrel, causing more spin for longer, more accurate shots.
I remember (from an old Tales of the Gun episode?) that there was some religious objection to a rifle. Tests were done with lead bullets and silver bullets marked with a cross. When the harder silver ones were fired, the result was a less accurate shot. This was attributed to the crosses on the silver bullets and contrived to mean that the rifle was somehow the devil's weapon. Take that for what its worth.
As for the bullet spreading out on impact, I think that has more to do with the design of fragmenting or exploding bullets. Lead itself is soft enough that at a distance with old Revolutionary Era muskets, some people survived bullets to the head since the lead had slowed and flattened enough in flight. Granted, don't try this at home.
Posted by: bobcarn
quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Why do you say that? The writing team on Smallville has continuously surpassed my expectations. I doubted them at first (very strongly) and have now reached a point where not only do I trust them, but will give them the benefit of the doubt.
I'm not saying they will stretch it out over multiple episodes, but I do think they've got the foresight and ability to do it and do it right.
I don't mean to slight the writing team at all. I've really liked the episodes I've watched so far. The only reason I said that was because the main plot elements that seem to stretch out over more than just two episodes are ones involving character development. Clark deciding to go after Chloe instead of Lana, as an example. But even that was limited to something like two episodes. Here it is, a new season, and they broke up. (I think they should have dated for at least half the season, instead of falling back to square one again.) Historically, they haven't stretched specific plot elements more than an episode or two into the future. The spaceship can lend itself to a season-long plot thread. For example:
1) The spaceship is discovered.
2) couple episodes later, the Kents find out who has it.
3) next episode, Clark goes to get the spaceship back, but it's moved to new location (maybe a high-tech science laboratory for study).
4) track down location of spaceship again over several episodes
5) Clark goes to get it back, but military has confiscated it
6) season finale of Clark trying to retrieve ship from high-security military base
I know, it's a corny example. I can't picture Clark breaking into a military base... well..... maybe I could, if it was done right. But that was just an example of how you can make a major long-term plot thread from the ship.
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