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Freeview - channel discussions
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Posted by: ozsat

Please feel free to post your comments about the new 'Freeview' service, and channels etc. is this non-TiVo thread

Posted by: ozsat

The new channel line-up is as follows:
1 BBC ONE
2 BBC TWO
3 ITV 1
4 Channel 4 (S4C in Wales)
5 five
6 ITV 2
7 BBC THREE (currently BBC Choice)
8 Channel 4 (in Wales), TeleG (in Scotland)
9 Teletext
10 BBC FOUR
11 Sky Travel
12 UK History
13 S4C2 (in Wales)
16 QVC
17 TV Travel Shop
18 The Hits
19 UKHomeStyle
20 f tn
21 TMF
22 reserved
30 CBBC
31 CBeebies
32 reserved
40 BBC NEWS 24
41 ITV News Channel (24hr UK version)
42 Sky News
43 Sky Sports News
44 reserved
45 BBC PARLIAMENT
46 Community Channel
50 FourText
51 BBCi
52 ntl
71 1Xtra BBC
75 BBC Radio Five Live
76 BBC Five Live Sports Extra
77 BBC 6 Music
78 BBC 7
79 BBC Asian Network
80 BBC World Service
81 Smash Hits
82 Kiss
83 Kerrang!
84 Jazz FM
85 Oneword
701 701
702 702
703 703

You are likely to see some other unallocated labels as well!

Posted by: Automan

I see Thomson are bringing out a suitable STB http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi...ews.php?id=2383

Based of course on the Grundig box as they now own that part of Grundig.

I just did a scan on my box and I now get 36 channels :)
Still no ITV :(

I also noted when the stb changes between some channels the TV picture 'glitches' badly. Is this because the box has to switch to the other signal format mode?

Automan.

Posted by: ozsat

It could be - I now find the some channels take about 2-3 seconds to lock.

Posted by: groovyclam

quote:
I also noted when the stb changes between some channels the TV picture 'glitches' badly.

quote:
I now find the some channels take about 2-3 seconds to lock

Which boxes do you two use ?

RE: the lineup - I really like the mix of radio stations that came on board, especially World Service, jazzfm, and oneword.

Playing fantasy lineup If you could ditch *just* two channels for two others which would you choose ?

I'd lose Sky Sports News for Eurosport

And lose CNN for more Boomerang ( assuming Turner comes on-board )

I think this would make a better balance - at the moment the service is too news-heavy.

Posted by: scoopuk

quote:
Originally posted by ozsat
The new channel line-up is as follows:
....22 reserved
32 reserved
44 reserved

You are likely to see some other unallocated labels as well!

I guess these channels are reserved for CNN, TCM and Boomerang. The BBC keeps mentioning these as channels for Freeview, but as of today there is still no agreement with AOL/Time Warner to carry them. And there's some doubt over whether UK History will be allowed.

The Guardian's Emily Bell has this rather witty article is here:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/mediagu...,805757,00.html

Posted by: scoopuk

quote:
Originally posted by groovyclam

Playing fantasy lineup If you could ditch *just* two channels for two others which would you choose ?

I'd lose Sky Sports News for Eurosport

And lose CNN for more Boomerang ( assuming Turner comes on-board )

I think this would make a better balance - at the moment the service is too news-heavy.

No - Sky Sports News is superb - I have a low priority SP to record 1900 to 1930 every night for a round up of the day's big football news. Highlights from all the Premiership games, and loads of team news - a really excellent service.

To me Eurosport hardly ever shows any sport worth watching.

I agree though that there's too many news channels but I wouldn't drop CNN. There simply is no-one better at covering breaking world news. They are always there. We don't need three domestic news services though.
As someone who sits in front of SkyNews, News24, CNN and ITV news screens all day for my job, I'd say ITV news is by far the weakest of the three by most criteria.

News24 has really improved over the years although Sky News still seems the most human and seems to get most of the breaking domestic stories first. Sky's main weakness seems to be its obsession with carrying live news helicopter pictures from Fox.

So I’d drop itv news and maybe this new Ftn - which is supposed to be a watered-down mix of Trouble & Bravo. It seems there's no early chance of getting Sky One, UK Gold or E4 - but any of these would be much more appealing.

Posted by: mrtickle

Sky Sports News is misnamed: it is really Sky Football News.

Posted by: Sneals2000

Just a word of warning. If anyone re-scans / stores channels on their DTT IDTVs or STBs they will get the channels on the new channel numbers. I don't know if Tivo have released duplicate channel mappings?

News 24, CBBC and CBeebies may all move channels if you rescan at the moment - they have on mine (N24 now on 40, CBBC on 30, CBeebies on 31)

Also - the rumour was that CNN/Boomerang and TCM would be sharing a single video stream on DTT - so you would only get one of them at any one time... Of course there is no deal yet - but the reserved channel numbers of 44 (News genre slot - CNN?), 32 (Kids genre slot - Boomerang?), 22(Entertainment genre slot - TCM?) kind of hint that preparations have been made?

Posted by: ozsat

TiVo now has the new channel line-up, and will retain the old line-up for a week or so.

Posted by: guydewdney

It looks like the only channel that I don't have on my Sky box that is on DTT is the history UK channel. And what ever FTN TMF is....
Is it worth the xxUKP for a DTT box? Anything to gain with tivo? I can't see it, but if it means an extra box for my stack.... ( piccy here ) then ill use the excuse ;)

Guy

Posted by: ozsat

FTN is 'Flextech Television Network' - a mix of Bravo and Trouble.

TMF is a new channel from MTV called 'The Music Factory'.

UK History will be on Sky digital from 30th October.

Posted by: misterbleepy

quote:
Originally posted by groovyclam

RE: the lineup - I really like the mix of radio stations that came on board, especially World Service, jazzfm, and oneword.

Playing fantasy lineup If you could ditch *just* two channels for two others which would you choose ?

I would lose ntl - does anyone know what exactly is the point in that?
I would gain BBC Radio 4 (in fact, all the FM BBC radio stations would be great on DTT - could they fit in if they dropped a TV/interactive service?)

maybe ITV News for CNN too...

Posted by: Automan

quote:
Originally posted by groovyclam

Which boxes do you two use ?

RE: the lineup - I really like the mix of radio stations that came on board, especially World Service, jazzfm, and oneword.

Playing fantasy lineup If you could ditch *just* two channels for two others which would you choose ?

I'd lose Sky Sports News for Eurosport

And lose CNN for more Boomerang ( assuming Turner comes on-board )

I think this would make a better balance - at the moment the service is too news-heavy.

I have the Grundig GDT1500 'Breadbin'

I may replace it with the new Thomson unit which looks a lot nicer :)

Automan.

Posted by: ozsat

quote:
Originally posted by groovyclam
Which boxes do you two use ?

The one I'm using is an original Philips.

Posted by: woody

Just ordered a Toshiba DTB200 from unbeatable.co.uk Ł62.92 including delivery. Specs below from Toshiba.

Yes the DTB2000 will accept the free-to-view channels and the
specifications are as follows:

UHF output modulator: CCIR PAL system 1 ch 21 to 69. Preset to ch68
Operating voltage: 230+/- 10% 50Hz
Power consumption: 28W (on), 5W (standby)
Storage condition: -10 to 70oC
Operating conditions: 0 to 40oC

Dimentions: 370mm (W) 70mm (H) 300mm (D)
Weight: 2.9Kg

DVB-T compliant MPEG2 up to MP@ML
Modulation: COFDM 2k, all modes
Video bit rate: 15Mbit/s
Video format: 4:3 and 16:9
Video resolution: 720x576 pixels
Audio: MPEG layer I/II

Aerial input: Female IEC 169-2
Input freq: 470 to 868 MHz (ch 21 to 69)
Input level: 40 to 80 dBV
Aerial output (for loop through and remodulated output):
Male IEC 169-2, 470-868 MHz (ch 21 to 69)
TV Scart: (out only) RGB, CVBS, audio L/R
VCR Scart: (in/out) CVBS, audio L/R
Serial interface: RS-232 DB9 female
Telephone (modem):RJ-11 jack
Common interface: For type II or type III module

Modem type: V22bis, DTMF (BABT Approved)

Posted by: Sneals2000

quote:
Originally posted by Automan

I have the Grundig GDT1500 'Breadbin'

I may replace it with the new Thomson unit which looks a lot nicer :)

Automan.

Isn't the Thomson a badge engineered Grundig unit though... Or am I falling into a trap about looks ...???

Posted by: slim

After doing an 'add channels' on my ITVD box, BBC News 24 is on channel 25 for me - not 40 as reported by ozsat.

Slim

Posted by: Sneals2000

Presumably because you did an ADD CHANNELS rather than a STORE CHANNELS.

ADD CHANNELS does not delete old channel numbers, and thus doesn't always map services to the broadcasters Logical Channel Number.

STORE CHANNELS deletes all previously loaded channels and starts from scratch. Wherever possible the broadcaster assigned channel numbers are used - with "odd" (i.e. no LCN) or duplicate channels stored in the 800s on ITV Digital boxes.

Posted by: ozsat

quote:
Originally posted by slim
After doing an 'add channels' on my ITVD box, BBC News 24 is on channel 25 for me - not 40 as reported by ozsat.

Yes - as said above!

I said a 'store channels' will put 'BBC News 24' on 40!

Posted by: ozsat

Hasn't anybody noticed that TiVo now has the 24hour schedules for ITV News on DTT?

Posted by: Vikash

quote:
Originally posted by scoopuk

So I’d drop itv news and maybe this new Ftn - which is supposed to be a watered-down mix of Trouble & Bravo. It seems there's no early chance of getting Sky One, UK Gold or E4 - but any of these would be much more appealing.

No chance! If they gave us E4, I'd buy a box and drop my NTL package down from Family to Access. If we got Sky One too, I'd ditch NTL altogether (well, at least the Cable service).

I basically 'need':

BBC1
BBC2
BBC3
ITV
ITV2
C4
E4
Five
Sky One

Anything else I might have I'd consider a bonus. It's nice to have MTV etc, but I could live without if it saved me having to pay for a subscription service.

Posted by: ozsat

Several services are now on-test.

Video is available on channels 11, 12, 42 and 43.

Audio is available on channels 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 81, 82 and 83.

+ all the original services are still there as well.

Posted by: lcsneil

UKHistory launching OK.

UKHomestyle won't be launched until early next year, and might well be renamed before then as well.

N.