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Mother of God, could CSI: Miami suck any harder?
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Posted by: ClutchBrake

I gave it as long as I could and wanted to like it more than any other new show of the season. This show is just bland, boring, predictable. I will definitely be saving some of my Sunday night shows to make up for nothing being on Monday nights.
Buh-bye, CSI: Miami. :down: :down: :down:

Posted by: IndyJones1023

I concur. I canceled my season pass before last night's episode. It seemed like all the characters were cardboard cutouts and they walked thru the scripts. David Caruso is a particularly one-dimensional actor, ill-suited for this role.

RIP CSI (Miami, at least).

Posted by: avaloncourt

Another vote for the delete button. We killed our SP before the last episode.

Posted by: dschwab

Same here, made it through the first couple of weeks with waning interest, left last week's episode unwatched until there was absolutely nothing else to watch, and didn't bother moving the SP to the new family room TiVo.

Posted by: MalachiNY

I also gave the show my best effort.

I love love love CSI <original> but this one is torture.

I can't figure out why though.

Do get me wrong ... all the characters are BORINGLY BORING!

But <like CSI> its not a character driven show ... its a story driven show ...

I guess CSI just put together the forensics better.
I mean whats with Caruso up in his "TV Suite in the Autopsy Room" ... Zooming In & Out ... Jeez! ... Get off your "red freckled A%#" and get in the room with the lady.

I digress!

MalachiNY

Posted by: Celusil

I killed my sp after the 2nd episode, couldn't take it. Besides I have to many SP that I really want to watch.

Posted by: Randy Given

I stopped watching before the latest show. My wife still watches. It isn't so much the characters as the writing. Even one-dimensional characters can look good if the script is right. I think these are two-dimensional characters (still no depth, but even the original CSI is only 2.5 dimensions). Buth, the script is invisibile, non-existent, gone.

Posted by: NatasNJ

I missed last night. Was playing PS2 online. Guess I have no regrets missing it . :)

Posted by: daperlman

Yes this show sucks hard. I can't even nail down all the reasons it sucks. But the cheesy dialog is a large part of its suckiness.

For example the lady that does the autopsy talking baby talk to a dead body. And Horatio see something from above that no one else's sees on the body... "zoom in on f4"

Also the lady who does ballistics on bullets, has terrible dialog. I remember one episode when Horatio went to get the results of Ballistics tests, when he asked her what the bullet came from. She said something like"whats your age" a clue that it was a .45 caliber. How clever.....

Posted by: mrmike

OK, so Horatio has been Bomb Squad, Major Crimes (Jewel Thieves), what else? Sheesh. My suspension-of-disbelief-o-meter pegged on this episode. Stick a fork in this one.

-MM

Posted by: Opus

My wife won't let me delete this one. :( And doesn't want to watch it alone. Maybe I can read a book....

Posted by: AndyK

It sucks, really sucks BUT it's the highest rated new show. We can expect it to suck for at least another season!

I don't understand how basically the same people involved with CSI could screw this up so much. Everything about it is preposterous and David Caruso is like the black hole of acting talent. I swear I can see the talent being ripped from the rest of cast and being sucked into the gravity well of blandness that is him.

If the producers consider $50k Hummers as believable vehicles for a CSI, why not Space Shuttles? And how about giving Caruso's character super powers? Why not a CSI Miami - Enterprise tie in episode? Why isn't there a Downs Syndrome member of the CSI squad? Isn't that discrimination? If the plot lines drag, the crew could adopt a child, or maybe take custody of one from a dying relative. Wouldn't a 3D episode be cool? Smellivision would be even better! :confused: :confused: :confused:

Posted by: ourdoc

Main reason I think it sucks? If you remember, NYPD Blue was an Ok show when David Caruso was on it. After he left, it became a great show. I can't say I have ever seen anything with David Caruso in it that was good. Also, there is a visable line between CSI and police officers in CSI, but that line seems to be gone in CSI: Miami. CSI is more believable...

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I think in Miami the CSI folks ARE police officers...it's not an entirely separate entity, as in Las Vegas.

Posted by: DLiquid

You know, I didn't even watch a single episode of this, because I don't like Caruso and I was worried this show might spoil the original CSI for me. CSI once a week is enough for me anyway, I don't need another one.

Posted by: Graymalkin

Not only emotionless but way too graphic for my taste. Sticking metal rods into a dead body to show the bullet paths, close-ups of a body opened up for autopsy, the slo-mo of the woman being burned in the car fire... YIKES! :eek:

Posted by: ourdoc

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I think in Miami the CSI folks ARE police officers...it's not an entirely separate entity, as in Las Vegas.

I have yet to know a Police Dept. that has Doctors and Scientist, lab techs.. etc. that are officers. Usually they are part of Tech. services, which means they work for the PD but are not sworn officers. But I don't know how Florida does it.. along with elections, who knows...:rolleyes:

Posted by: r_salis

I have to agree with everybody, this CSI franchise is looking like a stinker. But I have to say I really really *want* to like it because it's got so many actors that I like -- the very lovely Kim Delany, the forensic investigator (she was the Republican--I think it was attorney?--on West Wing last season), and the ME (she played Catherine Duke on NewsRadio). But the acting? Woooooden. Maybe the actors will thaw out after a few episodes when they have a chance to grow into their roles?

Posted by: Mars Rocket

We killed our SP for CSI:Miami before we even finished watching the pilot episode. Then again, I think the original CSI is pretty bad as well. They're both dumbed-down TV, written so the average stupid American can follow the plot and think they're learning something "scientific".

Posted by: MikeHerbst

Our major complaint with CSI:M is what my wife and I have dubbed "the Katherine Janeway Syndrome".

This is a nastly little television disease where one character is an expert on EVERYTHING! So named for ST:V's tendency to make Janeway's critical knowledge of temporal mechanics, warp core physics, hand to hand combat, tactics, and art-history the "key" of damn near every plot line.

The Grissholm character on CSI:LV skates a fine line, in that sometimes he seems to know too much about a few topics, but for the most part they've painted him with the "bug expert" brush and at least in Season 1 they let him ask for help on a few things. Furthermore he deferrs believably to the other "experts" like the coroner and lab geek.

Caruso's Cain (sp?) character has crossed over into the realm of Captain Janeway. He knows everything about everything, he quarterbacks the autopsies, he manages the trace-evidence collection, he interviews, he slices, he dices, he juliennes.

Enough. Even flat characters can be believable if they're at least "human" and not super-human.

Posted by: IndyJones1023

MikeHerbst hit the nail on the head. It's as if Caruso/Kane could walk into a lab with all the evidence strewn about, sit Zen-like for 50 minutes, then walk up to the perp and arrest him. He knows everything about everything. How fun is that to watch? Actually, this might be up to Caruso's acting ability - sitting and staring for an hour.

Posted by: grecorj

I feel like I have to defend this show, even though it isn't exactly one of my "must watch" shows yet.

1) Caruso's character is new to his position of authority, so of course he is involved in every aspect of the investigation. Typical of a first time manager, he likes to micromanage everything.

2) I have a bigger problem with Kim Delaney's character. She's a terrible actress and I wish she hadn't been made a last minute addition. Emily Proctor is really good in her (limited) role. The show would be better off with her in the female lead instead of Delaney.

3) This show was #9 in the ratings last week with 19mm viewers. So let's not make it seem like this is bad as in "Haunted"-bad or "Family Affair"-bad.

4) It seems like the people who don't like this show don't like Caruso. The 2 are apparently not mutually exclusive. Fair enough.

5) I think there has been a vocal outlash against this show on these forums mostly from fans of the original CSI. I'm wondering how many non-CSI:LV watchers feel this strongly about CSI:M.

My 2 cents.

Posted by: Turtleboy

As someone who grew up in South Florida, my major problem was with the Cuban rafters episode.

Hispanics are 60% of Miami. That's right, 60%. They are in every level of government and public life, and often in complete control. The fact that there is only one tangential Hispanic character, and the fact that they had to "tread lightly" when dealing with the Cuban community was just preposterous. It was obviously some jackass writer in Hollywood who saw the Elian story on the news, but knowns absolutely nothing else about Miami.

Posted by: IndyJones1023

Good points. I think you're right about the level of the show. We are probably judging it harshly because it is supposed to be far superior to a "Haunted" or a "Family Affair" caliber show (neither of which I've seen). It may boil down to merely going back to the well too often. They should leave CSI alone and let it continue untouched, instead of reheating script rejects for a new cast. I even read about William Petersen being upset about CBS doppleganging his show. And to me, Without a Trace and Robbery Homicide Division are very much trying to be in the same vein as CSI's style. Watering down the concept with too many ripoffs reduces them all to trash TV eventually. There are too many examples to list here.

Posted by: DancnDude

quote:
Originally posted by MikeHerbst
This is a nastly little television disease where one character is an expert on EVERYTHING!

You must really hate John Doe then! :D

Posted by: philw1776

Great comments. I like Grisson & CSI but the Miami show does suck.
Kim Delaney is fine and I like the detective played by Wanda De Jesus but the characters are terrible as is the dialog. The bullet girl blonde is worse than one dimensional. The coroner is self satire with the idiotic talking to the vics.
And what is with the incessant gratuitous disgusting views of the burned body?
Don't get me going on the all knowing "H" who can see things more clearly than the coroner even when he's 20 feet away.
Three thumbs down.

Posted by: fmowry

I don't watch the original CSI but do watch CSI:Miami. I don't know for how much longer though. As was said earlier, NYPD Blue was good with Caruso and better without him. Apparently his ability to carry a show spilled into his short lived movie career. Delaney is similarly bland but something about her makes me watch. Maybe it's the tight shirts she wears in every show. :).

Every time I see a Hummer cruise around I want to delete the SP.

Frank

Posted by: doom1701

Ditto what MikeHerbst said--in fact, I'm glad that the problem even has a name now. Unfortunately, I see a difference between CSI:Season 1 and the new eps, where Grissom is falling into this position as well.

And that autopsy theater has to go. How is it that city governments cry that they have no funding for police (and are often telling the truth), yet we are to believe that the Miami crime lab has a voice controlled autopsy theater? And that's after they paid for the hummers! :(

Posted by: JTAnderson

quote:
Originally posted by MikeHerbst
This is a nastly little television disease where one character is an expert on EVERYTHING!

So, do you or have you watched L&O:CI? What do you think of that one? I think Vincent D'Onofrio pulls it off in a very entertaining, if not believable, manner.

OBOT: I agree, CSI: Miami sucks. And I used to like Caruso.

Posted by: BeanMeScot

quote:
Originally posted by DancnDude
You must really hate John Doe then! :D

But John Doe is SUPPOSED to know everything. It is part of the premise of the show. He knows everything but his own identity. I have only watched a couple of episodes but I wonder if that will get tiring. The Pretender was similar but at least he had to spend some time researching before he started doing the job. CSI:Miami just feels like it should be more realistic than that. I can see a forensic investigator knowing a lot of weird stuff but they can't know or see everything.

Posted by: Dad

So, do you or have you watched L&O:CI? What do you think of that one? I think Vincent D'Onofrio pulls it off in a very entertaining, if not believable, manner.

My wife digs L&O:CI and I think it's okay. But D'onofrio's character really is the know-it-all's know-it-all. I'm finding that more and more shows are taking the super character tact, or at least all the cop show. The other L&O's are more balanced as well as having bigger casts.

I'm having trouble with CSI:Miami and the Caruso effect as well. CSI:LV has a much better cast who get just as much screen time.

Another party heard from...

Posted by: GDG76

quote:
Originally posted by doom1701
And that's after they paid for the hummers! :(

They're cheaper in Miami than most places. You just have to make sure you get what you expect by "checking under the hood" :)

drew

Posted by: cancermatt

Just as I've finally gotten around to watching this week's ep, I've posted before, I read an interview with CSI: Miami's producer and they were differentiating between CSI'ers in Miami do have authority to make arrests, whereas in Vegas, they do not.

I'm a huge fan of CSI: LV and I've quickly grown tired of CSI:M. I actually liked NYPD Blue w/ Caruso, then slowly stopped watching thereafter (season or 2) but I dislike Caruso as the all-knowing Cain. And how Vegas supposedly has the nation's largest CSI lab in the nation, but it seems Miami CSI'ers have more technology and more expensive vehicles. I dunno.
It seems the science has been removed from CSI:M and it's more of a "gross out contest" to see how gory it can get, and it's currently leading CSI: LV in the gory category. I keep trying, though, hoping it can't get any worse...

Matt

Posted by: DancnDude

quote:
Originally posted by BeanMeScot
But John Doe is SUPPOSED to know everything. It is part of the premise of the show.

I know, it was my attempt at a joke :)

Posted by: lornehosman

Maybe I'm an optimist, but....
There have been so many shows that started poorly and ended up to be good shows that I'll probably continue to watch CSI:M at least through this year.

I think we will see the ratings slide for this show - it's definitely not the best new show.

Posted by: dengel

I like it.. and the SP is right next to CSI:LV. I don't ming Horation being a know-it-all... there are some pretty smart ppl out there, and I've know some that seem to know a whole lot about pretty much everything. Kinda makes me remind of a quote...

"The Downside Of Being Better Than Everyone Else Is That People Tend To Assume You're Pretentious."

d.

Posted by: jasoncarr

quote:
Originally posted by ClutchBrake
I gave it as long as I could and wanted to like it more than any other new show of the season.

Same here. The final straw: Delaney acting like her meds are way off dosage. I think her head is going to explode.

Posted by: justapixel

quote:
Originally posted by Turtleboy

Hispanics are 60% of Miami. That's right, 60%. They are in every level of government and public life, and often in complete control. The fact that there is only one tangential Hispanic character, and the fact that they had to "tread lightly" when dealing with the Cuban community was just preposterous.

Most television shows do this though. Monk, for example. I remember in the pilot when Monk walked into a room of upper level city management, and every one was a white male. That is not the SF I know! In real life there probably wouldn't have been a white male in the room, unless he was obviously gay.

Posted by: eweu

quote:
Originally posted by grecorj
This show was #9 in the ratings last week with 19mm viewers.

Wow! Those are really small viewers! :D

We've kept the season pass so far, hoping it will get better. Caruso isn't a great actor, but he'd pass in this role if there was a little more emphasis on the other CSI characters. Less F/X and more story, please.

Posted by: tonyoci

I must apologize but I like the show. I am new to both CSI's this year and find them both to me middle of the road something to watch late at night shows. I am not a big fan but I like to make sure I watch them each week.

Each to their own.

T

Posted by: DancnDude

I agree. I prefer CSI:LV because I like the characters much better but CSI:M is still good and a watchable show.

Posted by: phone1

It's a horrible disappointment.

We suffered through the first two episodes and then put it off for a couple of weeks. Started watching #3 and couldn't even finish it. We deleted #4 unwatched along with the SP - shudder...

Time with TiVo is too short to waste on garbage like this.

Posted by: BlearyEyed

I went into CSI: Miami really wanting to like the show like a lot of other people. And although I intend to give this show a chance for as long as there is no better 10:00 Monday night show to steal the spot on my TiVo, I haven�t enjoyed it much at all yet.

I think the problem can actually be summed up somewhat easily, there is no character on CSI: Miami having any fun�at all�period. I�ll throw in the caveat that I never really got into the first CSI, and have only seen maybe five episodes, but it seems like on that show the CSI�s do they�re jobs because they love finding the evidence and using their expertise.

On other �cop� shows like the Law & Order�s it seems like the characters are motivated because they love putting bad guys away, or because they genuinely feel like they are making their city a better place. On Robbery Homicide Division the main cop seems like he just loves breaking the collective balls (for lack of a better term) of the rule breakers he meets. Boomtown has fun little asides like the overweight cop or that guy who jumped into the back of the truck during that one car chase.

I don�t see any of that on CSI: Miami, every character (maybe with the exception of Emily Procter�s) seems like they are there because they had no other option. Horatio seems to take little solace in solving a crime, its almost as if he�d rather be anywhere else than solving crime, but he�s so good at it he feels he HAS to. Looking back and having seen every episode I can remember one time a character actually seemed to be enjoying being at work.

There was a fun little conversation between the bullet girl played by Emily Procter and one of the younger guys when he asked to sleep at her place. That's all I can remember that seemed like a "fun moment." I know not everyone enjoys their work (that�s why its called work) but I also know that a bunch of characters going around hating everything they do doesn�t make for very enjoyable television.

Posted by: IJustLikeTivo

I watch this one and not the original for one reason, Emily Proctor. Now, if only they would nuke Kim D who can not act and give EP the female lead, this would be much better.

On a side note. How do I get my female co-workers to dress the way the women on CSI dress? Yahooo..... Low cut blouse, hip-huggers et al.

Having said that. if they dressed that way at my office, they would soon be in personel having a discussion.

IJLT

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by IJustLikeTivo
Having said that. if they dressed that way at my office, they would soon be in personel having a discussion.

Although to be fair, that is a universal problem in TV Land. Are these people that far out of touch, or do they just want to have sexy women parading around regardless of the cost to realism? I am especially struck with the Law & Order shows, which used to pride themselves on gritty reality. But for the past couple of years, we've seen ADAs and detectives parading around in sleeveless blouses (even in winter!) and even crop-tops. Don't get me started about NYPD Blue! (I thought briefly about adding Witchblade, but a) it's pure fantasy to begin with, and b) Sara Pezzini is tough enough that nobody would give her attitude about her clothing. At least, not twice.)

Posted by: TivoDaddy

I agree with BlearyEyed, the character development sucks on this show. It's all about Caruso. In CSI:LV we got to know the characters and how they worked. Each one had their own way of solving the crime. In CSI:M, it's more about the crime scene and Caruso having his helpers gather very little evidence which he was going to figure out anyway, and Caruso solving the crime.

I finally got around to watching the one where a guy was found dead on the beach near a upper class-high society house. The show was completely boring and predictable.

I'll keep the SP, but will only watch the show until I've watched everything else and channel surfed some.

Posted by: DLiquid

Last night's episode was the first time I've seen this show. I have to say that it was better than I thought it would be, although I still think Caruso is a tool, so this show will never get an SP. This episode also had kind of a Scooby Doo ending.

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
All within about one or two minutes. Hey look, there's some raw cotton candy, our perp must be a cotton candy vendor :rolleyes:. Hey look, there's a cotton candy vendor on the street, that must be him :rolleyes:.

Most of the supporting characters seemed like they have potential, and I was entertained by the show despite Caruso, but what it really comes down to is that I don't need two CSI shows, and CSI:LV is better.

Posted by: Hoffer

I was hoping this show would be good, but I'm really not getting into it. Even my interest in the original CSI has been waning lately.

I was about to delete my SP for it last week, when I saw a review for the show. It said that CSI:Miami is a must see show this year. I thought, WTF!! So, I gave it another chance. I may still watch 1 or 2 more episodes before deleting.

I'm usually on my laptop when I watch this show anyway. So, I'm not really paying attention and never really know what's going on.

Posted by: ClutchBrake

I must confess, I watched it last night. I had just gotten in from Tony Roma's and had eaten so many slabs of babyback ribs I was too lazy to change the channel. I missed the first couple of minutes but the rest of it was OK (only in CSI:Miami terms).
There were several things that were really lame. The fingerprint isn't right? Well, lets cut it up and rearrange it until it matches someone in the database. Um, OK. As DLiquid said, it was way too Scooby-Doo.
What a waste of a good little-known actor as the bad guy.

Posted by: andyf

So, no one at CBS listened to you guys. It's just been picked up for a full season and apparantly it's a top 10 show.

Posted by: Dan203

I think the show is OK, but I've only actually watched the first 2 or 3 episodes (the rest are still in Now Playing) so obviously I don't find it interesting enough to put on my "Must See" list.

Dan

Posted by: murgatroyd

Okay, here's a message for the folks here who have said "CSI: Miami sucks, I can't put my finger on why, but --"

There are several things I enjoy about CSI: the original which are completely lacking in CSI:Miami for me. YMMV, but here's the most important thing.

I was cleaning up the house and found an old stash of TV Guides which I had saved out for the articles. The issue with the CSI cover story talks about a particular real-life guy who is one of the people they used as a model for Gil Grissom's character. He's a bug expert. All of the guys who know him in real life can instantly recognize their friend in Grissom.

Real storytelling needs to be precise and detailed, especially in a show where details matter. All of the Las Vegas crew have sharply defined personalities, different from each other, with the real quirks that real people have. They are instantly recognizable as people and not as types.

Also, to tie in with something that BlearyEyed said, it's obvious that they all belong in this line of work. This is an important point that they established right from the get-go in the first episode aired (I won't go into specifics here, just in case there are people who haven't seen episode #1 and haven't heard the buzz about it).

Especially with Grissom and with Greg, I knew right away that I was watching fellow geeks, people for whom knowing about stuff is a basic need, like food and sleep and sex. The others are less geeky, but you can still see that they have the intelligence, attention to detail, and obsession with the hunt for knowledge to do their jobs well. You can understand why they would have been drawn to this line of work, and why they stay at it.

With CSI:Miami, I don't get any of that. I don't see people. I see a bunch of actors playing at being cop types, delivering lines on a pedestrian cop show. I don't see anything distinctive about these people or have any reason to want to get to know them.

It's like somebody got the idea to cross CSI with Miami Vice so they could have an excuse to shoot a show in Miami, and completely forgot what makes CSI good.

Jan

Posted by: grecorj

LOL. :D

quote:
Originally posted by andyf
So, no one at CBS listened to you guys. It's just been picked up for a full season and apparantly it's a top 10 show.

Posted by: swamped

CNN reported on November 8 that CBS has cut Kim Delaney's character from CSI:Miami. Her last appearance will be in the November 25th episode.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/TV/...laney.reut/

Personally, I liked Delaney in Philly and only started watching CSI:Miami because she was in it. I agree that it is a little graphic at times.

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by swamped
Personally, I liked Delaney in Philly and only started watching CSI:Miami because she was in it. I agree that it is a little graphic at times.

You obviously didn't watch The Sopranos last night. Made anything you've seen on network tv this fall seem like Sesame Street. :D

Posted by: Nihilator

I came to this forum to chat about West Wing, but I saw this thread instead, and a little voice in my head said: "Ah! I'm home!"

CSI: Miami totally bites. And it's for a reason I haven't really seen in this thread yet. It's because the science is horrible. The scene that I can't get out of my head is the one where the perp used honey as part of his crime, I dunno, drenching the body in it or something. They had looked at the honey under a microscope (which made me nauseous in the first place). The had found what they thought was the same type of honey by some dubious bit of supposition, and the put a drop of honey...

I can't even say it.

They put a drop of honey under the microscope, and ...

This is making me ill.

...and someone said, "It's an exact match!"

My eyes rolled back in head so fast I think I passed out for a few minutes.

With the possible exception of color, which is something that can't be adequately characterized just by looking at it, honey has absolutely no properties that could be used to differentiate two samples, let alone conclusively match two samples! None! Fer cryin' out loud, at least inject a couple of samples into some big machine with lots of blinking lights, and let us think that you're doing some sort of believable analysis on it!

What the networks sell to the public as science these days really cheeses me off.

The worst part about this is, I can't get rid of it on my TiVo. I want to keep the Wish List for Emily Proctor. Her role on West Wing gave me...uh...gave me...um, palpitations. Yeah, that's it. Mmmm, Emily Proctor.

--Chris

edit: "Wish List" for "Season Pass"

Posted by: dmaneyapanda

quote:
Originally posted by Nihilator
The worst part about this is, I can't get rid of it on my TiVo. I want to keep the Wish List for Emily Proctor. Her role on West Wing gave me...uh...gave me...um, palpitations. Yeah, that's it. Mmmm, Emily Proctor.

Have you tried Advanced Wishlists? There's got to be a thread that really explains them, but here's a quick recap.

Tivo-3, then create a new wishlist, then hit "0" for the secret advanced wishlist menu. Hopefully this works - if not, you need to get a software update, or perhaps just enable your backdoors.

Add an actor filter for emily. then add a keyword filter for "west wing". Then "edit list", and use the thumb up key to make both required. then sit back and relax, knowing you'll never have to watch another episode of CSI:M.

dinesh

Posted by: Gendal

I usually don't like these type of shows, but to my suprise CSI:LV hooked me after the first show, and I now watch the new episodes as soon as I can. CSI:M got me all excited that it would be the same quality (or at least taste) as CSI:LV, but after about 3 episodes I deleted the season pass and never looked back.