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Enterprise 10/30 (possible spoilers)
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Posted by: Demandred

Best episode of the season so far. How many of you watched it and deleted your season passes for the twelfth time?

Posted by: doom1701

I stopped watching it once my laughing fit over T'Pol's landing team outfit subsided... :D

Posted by: Pan Chun

Deleted my SP before "A Night in Sickbay" (apropriately abbreviated ANIS I'm told). I still follow what people say about the show, but I don't bother with actually WATCHING anymore. ;)

Posted by: Bryanmc

I agree that this was the best of the season so far. Still kind of "eh" but not bad.

Wasn't impressed with the "Vulcan martial-arts" though. Give me a cool, calm and collected Spock neck pinch any day.

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by Demandred
Best episode of the season so far.

That's not saying much.... ;)

Personally, I found this episode a yawner that borrowed liberally from the A-Team, Blazing Saddles, The Magnificent Seven, and the Seven Samurai. All they needed was Archer chomping on a cigar saying "I love it when a plan comes together" and Mayweather in a mohawk saying "I ain't gettin' in no transporter, sucker". The only thing that they missed would have been Phlox as H.M. Murdoch.

Oh and those Klingons, dumb as a post. Not only did they not notice that the town had been moved, why didn't they simply beam out of the fire and then beam right back down say ten feet to the left and cut Archer's head off?

I also note that T'Pol seems to have engaged the services of Buffy's stunt double.

The problem was, I found it all boring. Nothing standing out here except for maybe Phlox.
It's not keeping my attention one way or another and that's not good.

Grade D+

Posted by: Pan Chun

Let me know when (if?) they finally suffer any fatalities, will you? "Space is a dangerous place" my a$$! :rolleyes:

Posted by: EBone11973

I agree with JYoung - way too "A-Team." I was waiting for the A-Team "we're building our day-saving gadget in 15 minutes music" while the village was being moved 50 yards. And you know, Klingons being so level-headed, would never beam back up to their ship, get drunk on blood wine, and then obliterate the village from orbit with one torpedo or distruptor beam blast. Nah, they've been taught their lesson and will go away with their tails between their legs. C'mon, these are Klingons. The Klingon second in command would have killed his captain just for thinking about leaving without punishing these defenseless people, then taken command and done it himself. Maybe Ferengi would have just left because there was no profit margin in fighting, but not Klingons.

Posted by: kazymyr

And, when you knock down a Klingon, make sure you leave his weapon on the ground beside him, so when he comes back to his senses he can grab it and fight you again. :rolleyes:

BTW, I was surprised that they didn't yell to the Klingons "Three more steps to your right, please!" :)

quote:
Let me know when (if?) they finally suffer any fatalities, will you? "Space is a dangerous place" my a$$!

Not only they didn't suffer fatalities, but neither did their allies, or for that matter the opponents. Looks like the fighting rules in that universe are - the first one to blink loses. ;)

Posted by: AndyK

Argggh, I thought the episode was beyond moronic! The Klingons don't realize that the camp moved? They trap them in a ring of fire, good thing the Klingons don't know their transporter could get them out of there! It's also lucky that there's no way for the Klingons to fire weapons down from space, but that's right, they don't know anything about coordinates :rolleyes: . Leave your shuttle unprotected with the door open so children can wander in? Give away schematics off the ship to anyone? The amount of totally moronic plot lines in this one made it so bad, it was almost funny. hopefully, B&B will get hit by a truck SOON!

Posted by: Family

quote:
Originally posted by EBone11973
And you know, Klingons being so level-headed, would never beam back up to their ship, get drunk on blood wine, and then obliterate the village from orbit with one torpedo or distruptor beam blast. Nah, they've been taught their lesson and will go away with their tails between their legs. C'mon, these are Klingons. The Klingon second in command would have killed his captain just for thinking about leaving without punishing these defenseless people, then taken command and done it himself.

Yeah... this episode has so many holes in it.:down:

I actually enjoyed the one about the nite in sickbay. The doctor is the single interesting character on the show.

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by Family
Yeah... this episode has so many holes in it.:down:

I actually enjoyed the one about the nite in sickbay. The doctor is the single interesting character on the show.

I guess you didn't see the thread where we discussed that episode....

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...ghlight=sickbay

Hey! Where's Net114? He hasn't commented on the last couple of episodes. I was curious to read his comments.

Posted by: kdmorse

As soon as he said "We have a saying on my world", my immediate thought was - If he mentions a fish, I'm never watching this show again. Cliche's are one thing, but revolving an entire episode around a painfully obvious one?

Yesss... let's save the world by teaching everyone to shoot straight (in about 5 seconds, because apparently once you stop pulling the trigger too hard you become a master marksman), teaching them how to drop and roll (What, considering all the volatile chemicals around, noone's ever caught fire yet?), and herding klingons into a little ring of fire.

Apparently the klingons of that day and age were simply wussies, dazzled and distracted by the way T'Pol's outfit was designed to emphasize her, um, guns...

-Ken

Posted by: kazymyr

quote:
Originally posted by kdmorse

Yesss... let's save the world by teaching everyone to shoot straight (in about 5 seconds, because apparently once you stop pulling the trigger too hard you become a master marksman),

And don't forget the main point, have the communications officer teach how to shoot, while the weapons officer stands aside and watches. ;)

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by kazymyr
And don't forget the main point, have the communications officer teach how to shoot, while the weapons officer stands aside and watches. ;)

Uh, no, he was communicating. <heh>

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by kdmorse
As soon as he said "We have a saying on my world", my immediate thought was - If he mentions a fish, I'm never watching this show again. Cliche's are one thing, but revolving an entire episode around a painfully obvious one?

Yesss... let's save the world by teaching everyone to shoot straight (in about 5 seconds, because apparently once you stop pulling the trigger too hard you become a master marksman), teaching them how to drop and roll (What, considering all the volatile chemicals around, noone's ever caught fire yet?), and herding klingons into a little ring of fire.

Apparently the klingons of that day and age were simply wussies, dazzled and distracted by the way T'Pol's outfit was designed to emphasize her, um, guns...

-Ken

Problem is, these weren't warrior class Klingons, they were merchant class.

A more pressing question is,

After rolling around in the dirt, how did T'pol's uniform remain white?

Posted by: sean67854

quote:
Originally posted by jhausmann
Problem is, these weren't warrior class Klingons, they were merchant class.

A more pressing question is,

After rolling around in the dirt, how did T'pol's uniform remain white?

It was made of space-age polymers?

Posted by: Pan Chun

Probably something similar to this:

http://jude.hut.ru/img/amidala.jpg

Posted by: kdmorse

Well, we all know that the enterprise universe consists of self-dusting starships, why not self-dusting uniforms?

But the weapons training scene's reminded me of something. After all that training, how come nobody could shoot straight? Not just the colonists, the enterprise crew didn't hit a damn thing.

Were they actually trying to avoid klingon fatalities? Or do they all just suck?

-Ken

Posted by: Pan Chun

quote:
Originally posted by kdmorse
Or do they all just suck?

Now THAT'S a loaded question! :eek:

Posted by: JYoung

In keeping with the A-Team theme, I dug up this link ;)

Posted by: Pan Chun

That reminds me...someone at TrekBBS wrote this parody:

quote:
<narrator> One year ago, in 2261(?), a group of incompetent Starfleet officers were wrongfully promoted to command of a starship, a position for which they were not qualified.

This group promptly broke out of any semblence of their mission to explore the galaxy and establish peaceful relations with Earth's neigbors, and instead have lost themselves in the fringes of known space, hiring themselves out for deuterium as soldiers of fortune.

If you are a miserable, pathetic group of alien refugees being harrassed by bullies, and you can find them, maybe you can hire

THE A(rcher)TEAM! <accompanying blasts of phase cannon fire>

Posted by: Dad

In keeping with the A-Team theme, I dug up this link

Oh jeez, I think I just pooped myself. Now that's humor!

Posted by: JYoung

In 1987, two men escaped from the Camarillo State Mental Hospital before their treatment was finished. They disappeared into the Hollywood Underground (AKA "The Industry") and hired themselves out. Today, they survive as producers.
If you are a major studio executive that needs to dumb down a beloved franchise because it's too difficult to understand and turn it into a simple cash cow, maybe you can hire…..

The B - Team!

Posted by: DanT

This episode was definitely one of the worst, and I'm still debating whether to finally give up on Enterprise or not.

Everyone's already pointed out the same flaws I noticed, so I'll save myself some time and just comment about the one thing that really bugged me. Why do the writers have to be so politically correct that nobody dies? Hello, they're Klingons! Sometimes people deserve to be killed, or need to be killed as part of the story, etc. But no, apparently no one dies in this version of Trek. Maybe they've gotten so worried about the "Red Shirt Phenomenon" of the original series that they're going to the other extreme.

Posted by: Sinuralan

I agree, a terrible episode. The lack of injuries was appalling.

I wanted to know, if they're going to bother moving the town... why not move the town center (where they beamed down both times) in the center of the ring of fire? That'd be a lot more practical.

And when the people ran.. they didn't even need to beam over closer to kill them. They simply could have beamed the locals into space.

Posted by: ahartman

quote:
Originally posted by kdmorse
As soon as he said "We have a saying on my world", my immediate thought was - If he mentions a fish, I'm never watching this show again. Cliche's are one thing, but revolving an entire episode around a painfully obvious one?

First of all, I gave in and watched this episode, after swearing off Enterprise earlier.

Righ after Archer said that, my wife looks at me and says "and they know what a fish is? They're living in a f<bleeeeeep>ing desert".

I thought the giving-the-punk-kid-schematics-of-enterprise bit was beyond words. So the next species that decides to descend on this rag-tag group of trailer-park wannabees and beat them into submission gets the schematics and tracks down Enterprise...

I'm swearing off Enterprise... again.

Posted by: TiVoLance

I liked the episode /shrug

Posted by: Pan Chun

quote:
Originally posted by ahartman
I'm swearing off Enterprise... again.

Welcome to sanity. I've found it's MUCH less aggravating to simply read the frustrations of others about the crapfest that is ENT than to waste any more time and anger actually WATCHING it!

Posted by: avaloncourt

quote:
Originally posted by kazymyr

Not only they didn't suffer fatalities, but neither did their allies, or for that matter the opponents. Looks like the fighting rules in that universe are - the first one to blink loses. ;)

I liked that they decided to teach these people how to shoot better than just popping lizards and then they have the Klingons all bunched up in a group and then Malcom can't shoot any better than they started out.

Yes, the T'Pol line of exercise wear was interesting.

Posted by: betamax

I too thought of Blazing Saddles when they moved the town.

As for T'Pol getting her outfit dirty during the fight sequence, I hope you noticed she was wearing loose fitting brown clothes, not the tightey-whitey.

It was OK, I'll continue to watch.

Posted by: jerobi

Weak.

Ditto on the Fish quote pre-shudder, the lame karate, the weapons lesson slip-ups, the "Here's out entire ship" schematics, the Klingons forgetting how to transport (which apparently only required one word, no less), etc etc etc.

Not only was the scene with the Doctor the best part of the episode, but I'll narrow it down even further: I am impressed by the level of effort going into sculpting/building new wacky creatutes each week for the medical lab. That leech-starfish was neat-looking and quite possibly my favorite 3 seconds from that episode. How sad is that?

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
Welcome to sanity. I've found it's MUCH less aggravating to simply read the frustrations of others about the crapfest that is ENT than to waste any more time and anger actually WATCHING it!

Maybe I'll start drinking when I watch Enterprise ;)

Posted by: Rcrew

What's left to pick on... not much...

But since I missed all your frustrations with last season, I guess I'll keep the SP for a few more episodes...

Posted by: Pan Chun

quote:
Originally posted by JYoung
Maybe I'll start drinking when I watch Enterprise ;)

If you're referring to the Ent drinking game, I could see that. Otherwise, I'd recommend starting a good hour or two BEFORE actually watching the show. ;)

Posted by: spartanstew

I'm sure I'll keep my SP for the entire season, just because the show is usually at least semi-enjoyable, which is more than I can say about a lot of other crap on TV. That said, this was by far the worst episode to date (including last year) for all of the reasons already mentioned.

Stew

Posted by: Pan Chun

Even worse than "A Night In Sickbay"?

Posted by: loopey

I think instead of giving up my WL for this show I am going to give up reading these threads. You guys nitpick about every little thing.

Ooh they used a common earth saying about fish (why is that bad??), why is Hosie giving pointers on shooting (what's wrong with that - they all have weapons training), why did they leave the door open on the shuttle (yeah like they don't have a way to shut it off so no one can harm it), why do the Klingons not realize the camp has moved (they come there once, maybe twice a year - hello), blah, blah, blah. I can see picking on the continuity of the storyline, but when you harp on these minor trivial things it gets ridiculous.

It's a science fiction show. Fiction being the operative word here. Nothing will ever live up to your expectations. You will always find something to nitpick at. No, this isn't directed at everyone, and I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but I don't care.

Oh and I LOVE the A-Team, what's so bad about it??

Posted by: Family

OK ok... some of the nitpicking might have gotten carried away, but

1) The moving to the right to get the Klingons to move to the right looked like a comedy scene from a silent movie.
2) The Kingons being trapped in the fire when they are beaming up and back to the ship is ridiculous.
3) The Klingons running away forever is out of character.
4) The Klingons not simply "shooting from the ship above" is yet another hole that does not fit.

I watch Enterprise every week and like it more than most who have posted, but bad is bad. Some science fiction episodes leave you scratching your head asking... was that possible, but this was off the charts because of character traits that had been set up by the series. It's one thing to question... how could they possibly have done something seemingly scientifically implausible, but it's another to just be sloppy and stupid in the consistancy of the universe YOU have set up.

Posted by: amtsuchida

I'm with Loopey in that I watch TV shows for the enjoyment and try not to nitpick them. Not many are very realistic.

However, I have watched enough Trek to find that it was odd that the Klingons didn't notice the move as soon as they beamed down the second time. Don't they need coordinates? Wouldn't someone have noticed they were beaming down to a different spot just by looking at the numbers and not the scenery?

Posted by: loopey

Wow, I didn't expect any support for my opinion, thanks!

amtsuchida: If I remember correctly they beamed down to the regular place, but no one was around. They only moved the oil rigs, and since the Klingons don't go out there (they know how dangerous they can be and the oil drillers said they stay away from them) they wouldn't have noticed them being movied.

Posted by: amtsuchida

quote:
Originally posted by loopey
Wow, I didn't expect any support for my opinion, thanks!

amtsuchida: If I remember correctly they beamed down to the regular place, but no one was around. They only moved the oil rigs, and since the Klingons don't go out there (they know how dangerous they can be and the oil drillers said they stay away from them) they wouldn't have noticed them being movied.

I thought they moved the whole town. Whatever, it is just tv... ;)

Posted by: spartanstew

quote:
Originally posted by Pan Chun
Even worse than "A Night In Sickbay"?

Yes.

quote:
Originally posted by amtsuchida
I thought they moved the whole town.

Correct.

Stew

Posted by: Dan203

quote:
Originally posted by Family
4) The Klingons not simply "shooting from the ship above" is yet another hole that does not fit.

If you had payed attention they specifically said that the ship was nothing more then a cargo ship, and had no weapons.

I'm with loopey and amtsuchida, I watch it for entertainment, not plausibility. Then again this is the first series of ST that I've actually watched regularly, so I had no preconceived notions about how everything was suppose to work going in.

Dan

Posted by: DaveLessnau

I'm no Trekkie, but is there even supposed to BE such a thing as an unarmed Klingon vessel?

Posted by: martinp13

I thought it was ok. I gathered that they moved the whole town, so I was goggle-eyed that they didn't notice it was moved. Wouldn't you store the coordinates in the computer? "Beam me down to the same place as before" is surely a one-Klingon-word command.

Is there an Enterprise Drinking Game? I haven't looked yet, but I remember the olde Next Generation Drinking Game.

And as I finished the episode and went back to the TiVo menu, I thought "You know, those people are all dead. The Klingons will send for REAL reinforcements, and they'll come back and toast the trailer park."

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by kdmorse
But the weapons training scene's reminded me of something. After all that training, how come nobody could shoot straight? Not just the colonists, the enterprise crew didn't hit a damn thing.

Were they actually trying to avoid klingon fatalities? Or do they all just suck?

-Ken

The Enterprise crew probably learned to shoot from the communications officer too! :)

Posted by: Jonathan_S

And even if the ship is unarmed, it still has a transporter. The klingons could have beamed people off the surface and either into space or onto their ship where they could kill them. Or beamed explosives back down to destroy the town. Or just beamed themselves back down, possibly with reinforcements and slaughtered the town.

However I do see one way to redeem this episode. It would be counter to almost everything trek does (i.e. have real inter episode story lines). But if the Enterprise stops back at this planet later in the season and finds a couple of survivors who tell them that the klingons beamed back a week later and massacred the town, which leads Archer to re-evaluate his policy of sticking his oar in every situation he comes across it would really redeem this episode.

Make it a setup for a much needed lesson and be a contributor to the formulation of the Prime Directive.

Posted by: gtarent

I too was bothered by most of the above mentioned holes in this plot. I will add a few more
1) Why could the settlement and Enterprise both see the Klingons, so far ahead of when the Klingons could detect Enterprise.
2) If the Klingons consistently "beamed in" the same location every time. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just set up some explosives at that spot.
Let me enact how this would go
[Klingon Leader] "We have come to get our Deterioum"
{booooom}
closing credits

I would like to see this episode revisited. Enterprise returns a few weeks later. The place is totally wiped out. Seems the Klingons beamed in a few nights later and enacted a little Klingon justice.

Posted by: Family

quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan_S
However I do see one way to redeem this episode. It would be counter to almost everything trek does (i.e. have real inter episode story lines). But if the Enterprise stops back at this planet later in the season and finds a couple of survivors who tell them that the klingons beamed back a week later and massacred the town, which leads Archer to re-evaluate his policy of sticking his oar in every situation he comes across it would really redeem this episode.

Make it a setup for a much needed lesson and be a contributor to the formulation of the Prime Directive.

Excellent idea. We are forgetting that earth has very little experience with the Kingons to this point and that the Klingons might handle the situation differently in Archer's time. A followup episode that brings in some continuity would make this an acceptable episode.

Too bad you're probably sharper than the show's writers.

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by Dan203
If you had payed attention they specifically said that the ship was nothing more then a cargo ship, and had no weapons.

I'm with loopey and amtsuchida, I watch it for entertainment, not plausibility. Then again this is the first series of ST that I've actually watched regularly, so I had no preconceived notions about how everything was suppose to work going in.

Even an unarmed cargo ship could inflict lots of damage from orbit. See Robert Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress for a good example of throwing rocks from orbit at Earth.

IMO, the problem is with Enterprise is that the A-Team/Baywatch level of writing is the norm. It was not the norm for TOS, TNG, and DS9 or even Voyager. Nope with Enterprise we get pee jokes, fart jokes, breast jokes, and T&A without any intelligent script writing. In fact Beavis and Butthead appear to be using these element in the hope we won't notice the weak scripts. In some cases, it has appeared to have worked as well.

Not that I have anything against the A-Team or low brow humor (I have an SP for Howard Stern for god's sake) but that's not what I want to see in Star Trek. When I watch Star Trek, I'm looking for intelligently written scripts that challenge one's thinking, not recycled A-Team scripts that are less clever than the original (at least at the end of the A-Team, you'd see the bullies being dragged off to the local jail). Enterprise seems to be devolving into lowest common denominator Trek.
When you have a show like Firefly, which in seven episodes has shown 3 times the character depth that Enterprise has done in 32 episodes, you know that something's wrong.

Posted by: dengel

T'pol is hot! I'd do her any day of the week!

d.

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by dengel
T'pol is hot! I'd do her any day of the week!

d.

Ah yes, I was wondering when we'd get the obligatory "I'm drooling over T'Pol" post from dengel.

quote:
Originally posted by dengel
T'pol is hot.. I'll keep the SP! Man... what wouldn't I do for 15 mins alone with T'pol on that decon bay... yummy!!!!

d.

quote:
Originally posted by dengel
They should show more of T'pol... then I'd be a happy viewer.

d.

quote:
Originally posted by dengel
T'pol is hot! I just keep watching the show in hope that her spandex suit will get ripped by an alien and her voluptous boobs would flap around while she runs out of harms way... oh well...
d.

quote:
Originally posted by dengel
Oh T'pol is hot, I would not mind servicing her.

d.

Posted by: Rcrew

quote:
Originally posted by gtarent
...
Let me enact how this would go
[Klingon Leader] "We have come to get our Deterioum"
{booooom}
closing credits

LOL!!!

Agreed there's some nit picking going on, and it's TV, and it's science fiction, and there's the suspension of disbelief function.

But! The writers are stomping all over our disbelief belief. The gigantic hole in this episode is trapping the Klingons in a ring of fire. We're taught to believe in transporter technology. Then for some mysterious reason they aren't allowed to use it.

Not as big, but never the less flawed, is moving the town and expecting the Klingons to beam to the moved spot without noticing.

Shame on them, the writers.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by Bryanmc
Ah yes, I was wondering when we'd get the obligatory "I'm drooling over T'Pol" post from dengel.

What is it about consistency you don't like?

Posted by: Crrink

I agree - suspension of disbelief is one thing, but what these writers are doing is lame.
Especially when they could've simply spent a few seconds on dialog to make the episode more believable - i.e. - the Klingon's won't come back because their ship sucks and they're just trying to be bullies, they lost face, or whatever....they don't have a transporter sophisticated enough to beam to coordinates, so they use a homing beacon at the town center...bring in some sort of jamming device from Enterprise to stop them from beaming out of the ring of fire....or SOMETHING to try and explain away to silliness.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by Crrink
I agree - suspension of disbelief is one thing, but what these writers are doing is lame.
Especially when they could've simply spent a few seconds on dialog to make the episode more believable - i.e. - the Klingon's won't come back because their ship sucks and they're just trying to be bullies, they lost face, or whatever....they don't have a transporter sophisticated enough to beam to coordinates, so they use a homing beacon at the town center...bring in some sort of jamming device from Enterprise to stop them from beaming out of the ring of fire....or SOMETHING to try and explain away to silliness.

I would've been easier for the episode to have the last half removed and replaced with Archer contacting the Klingons from Space, with weapons armed, saying the planet was under the protection of the "United Federation of Planets", giving him credit for coming up with the name. Then, after the Klingon ship tucks tail and runs, T'pol, Hoshi and Archer could engage in behaior that satisfies dengel and everyone's happy.

Posted by: loopey

Can't you use your imagination to fill in holes (which aren't necessarily holes, they just don't explain certain things)? Does everything have to be spelled out for you?

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by loopey
Can't you use your imagination to fill in holes (which aren't necessarily holes, they just don't explain certain things)? Does everything have to be spelled out for you?

Imagining Star Trek without B&B hasn't helped.

Problem is, if I have to do the work to make the show entertaining, I expect to get paid for it.

Posted by: loopey

Oh yeah I forgot about the TV generation that has to have everything laid out for them lest they be required to think. Can't read books either because TV has ruined their imagination. :rolleyes:

Posted by: dengel

Bryanmc... she is hot though :)

d.

Posted by: Rcrew

quote:
Originally posted by loopey
Can't you use your imagination to fill in holes (which aren't necessarily holes, they just don't explain certain things)? Does everything have to be spelled out for you?

I disagree with having everything spelled out.

While I was watching, enjoying, being absorbed, I hadn't pre-thought about beaming out of the trap, but once the ring of fire popped up, Ding, Ding, Ding! Hey, why aren't they beaming out? It needed an explanation, or even a minor set-up. For example T'Pol could have said "We'll have to watch for them to try and transport out so we can trigger the explosion quickly and disrupt their particles".

At least give us some foundation to make the trap believable.

Posted by: martinp13

quote:
Originally posted by loopey
Can't you use your imagination to fill in holes (which aren't necessarily holes, they just don't explain certain things)? Does everything have to be spelled out for you?

Sue me for being an engineer, but I like things to make SOME sense. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it should make sense. There were half a dozen things in the episode that happened (or didn't happen) for no reason other than "it was (or wasn't) in the script". I'm not even counting the bonehead stuff (sorry, Bonehead) like handing the kid the schematics of the ship. :(

Posted by: Crrink

Exactly - why'd the kid get schematics of the ship? They could've given him some more promotional style material (I'm sure lots was around when Enterprise launched)to satisfy his wonder of star ships, along with educational material so they could leave the kid with a few tools to become something other that a deuterium farmer.

But there I go again wanting every single thing spelled out....:rolleyes:

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by dengel
Bryanmc... she is hot though :)

d.

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by loopey
Oh yeah I forgot about the TV generation that has to have everything laid out for them lest they be required to think. Can't read books either because TV has ruined their imagination. :rolleyes:

Tell you what, read the last book I just finished (I do one a week), Darwin's Radio by Greg Bear, then we'll talk about imagination and/or thinking.

Until then, be entertained by poorly written TV.

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by loopey
Can't you use your imagination to fill in holes (which aren't necessarily holes, they just don't explain certain things)? Does everything have to be spelled out for you?

Small plot holes are one thing. Plot holes big enough to drive a starship through are another.
Not even the writers of the A-Team are that sloppy.
It would be similar to the A-Team constructing a three sided box to trap the bullies in. And if they sprung the trap and caught the bad guys in it, you would be wondering why they didn't walk out the unfinished fourth side and attack.l
They didn't even have the Klingons toss their weapons outside the ring.

Posted by: ADent

This was the Bugs Life episode.

There are lot of holes, but the biggest plot hole is the Klingons with a working transporter.

Posted by: martinp13

ADent: I don't know why you say that... the Klingons already have holodecks. And the Enterprise does have transporters. They just don't have the cojones to use them for regular personal travel yet. :)

Posted by: jlb

I am on the fence. I tought the episode was ok. Not great, but ok.

I think the acting is a little weak. I mean, I like Scott Bakula (and I loved Quantum leap), but at least TNG had a good core of actors with Stewart, Frakes and Spiner.

I am willing to give this series some time. I am sure I'll keep watching because it is a Trek series and what else is my TiVO going to record on Saturdays at 6pm.

Heck, I'll keep watching if for no other reason than:

http://search.transamtech.com/jolene/images/Maxim-Oct/gma_l4.jpg

Posted by: JYoung

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Originally posted by jlb
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Heck, I'll keep watching if for no other reason than:
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Well, you've just fallen into their trap. Let's get the audience so horny watching Jolene so they won't notice the weak scripts.....

Posted by: Bryanmc

Whaaaa.....ummm....did you post something JYoung?

I keep trying to read your post, but am being distracted.....

Posted by: JYoung

Damn! They've gotten to Bryan..... ;)

Posted by: jhausmann

quote:
Originally posted by JYoung
Damn! They've gotten to Bryan..... ;)

Must watch Jolene....must watch...

Posted by: jlb

Resistance is futile!

Posted by: allan

quote:
Originally posted by martinp13
ADent: I don't know why you say that... the Klingons already have holodecks. And the Enterprise does have transporters. They just don't have the cojones to use them for regular personal travel yet. :)

Klingons have holodecks? That's news to me! As for the transporters, I'd guess that Klingon transporters are a POS. But they just don't care.

Posted by: JYoung

The best review for Marauders :D

Posted by: Hunter Green

Boy, that was bad. They walk around for half the episode saying "but if we do that, the Klingons will just come back once we're gone". So what do they decide to do? Humiliate, anger, and provoke the Klingons, then insist "we're ready for a fight". Yeah, that is just the thing to make Klingons run and not come back. Especially Klingons, who as we all know, hate nothing so much as a fight with a willing, determined, bragging enemy.

But nothing could top T'Pol teaching the miners the "ancient Vulcan secret" technique of self-defense: "Don't be where the weapon is." Grasshopper, when you can snatch the deuterium from my hand, you will be ready!