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TeachTivo in v3.0 EXISTS!!!
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Posted by: philhu

I do not know how to get to it....but look at this snippet from my tvlog. It shows TeachTivo ready to be prioritized!!!

Jan 2 20:04:48 (none) Scheduler[156]: DataChanged:Completed
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPclient[132]: 4 Prioritizer
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 4:24 TeachTivoAction
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 6 hits, 100 msec min, 2 sec ave, 16 sec max
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: Serialized, -64 of 0 tics, Disabled.
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 4:16 PrefsCommitActio
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 7 hits, 6 sec min, 33 sec ave, 1 min 53 sec max
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: Serialized, -38 of 0 tics, Disabled.
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 4:8 FlushPrefsAction
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 316 hits, 3 msec min, 25 msec ave, 5 sec max
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: Serialized, -2 of 0 tics, Disabled.
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 4:18 ViewerPrefChange
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 9 hits, 22 msec min, 32 sec ave, 1 min 34 sec max
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: Serialized, -47 of 0 tics, Disabled.
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 4:10 FlushTop100Actio
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 316 hits, 108 msec min, 1 sec ave, 37 sec max
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: Serialized, -1 of 0 tics, Disabled.
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 4:20 RemoveExplicitRe
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 137 hits, 3 sec min, 26 sec ave, 4 min 18 sec max
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: Serialized, -233 of 10 tics, Disabled.
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 4:4 PreplogAction
Jan 2 20:06:55 (none) MCPaction[132]: 7 hits, 3 msec min, 4 msec ave, 5 msec max

Posted by: Spire

Oooooh! I'm excited and disappointed at the same time. I sure hope that's not vestigial.

Posted by: DarkHelmet

I was exploring around the mfs data for 3.1 and discovered a bunch of teachtivo resource strings.... My initial thought was that it was probably a bunch of relics though..

In the main binary though:
[10:17pm]~/tivo/cpio/10053499/tvbin-125> strings tivoapp | grep -i teach
TeachTivoAction
TeachTivo got %s
TeachTivo showing got %s
Z015TeachTivoAction

Also:
[10:18pm]~/tivo/cpio/10053499/tvlib/tcl/tv-133> grep -i teach Inc.itcl
variable EVT_TEACH_TIVO 35

[10:25pm]~/tivo/cpio-174> grep -i teach 867825.txt
String = {Teach Categories}
String = {Teach Sub-Categories}
String = {Teach TiVo Actors}
String = {Teach TiVo Writers}
String = {Teach TiVo}
String = {Teach by Category}
String = {Teach Stars}
String = {Teach Actors}
String = {Teach Directors}
String = {Teach All Actors}
String = {Teach Famous Actors}
String = {Teach All Directors}
String = {Teach Famous Directors}
String = {Teach TiVo lets you rate programs, actors, directors and categories of programs using the THUMBS buttons. Based on these ratings, TiVo suggests other programs that you might like. What TiVo Thinks(tm) are shown with purple, square thumbs.}
String = {Teach Actors}
String = {Teach Directors}
String = {Teach Writers}
String = {Teach All Actors}
String = {Teach Famous Actors}
String = {Teach All Directors}
String = {Teach Famous Directors}

Some other interesting ones:
String = {Adjust Program Ratings}
String = {No preferences yet. Use Thumbs Up/Down to create preferences on people first.}
String = {No preferences yet. Use Thumbs Up/Down to create preferences on programs first.}
String = {- Use the arrows to move around the letter grid.
- Press SELECT on the first few letters
of the actor's last name.
- Press RIGHT arrow to go to the
list of actors.
- Press THUMBS UP or DOWN to rate
each actor one, two or three
thumbs up/down.
- Use CHAN UP and DOWN to page
through the list.}
String = {- Use the arrows to move around the letter grid.
- Press SELECT on the first few letters
of the director's last name.
- Press RIGHT arrow to go to the
list of directors.
- Press THUMBS UP or DOWN to rate
each director one, two or three
thumbs up/down.
- Use CHAN UP and DOWN to page
through the list.}
String = {Adjust Actor Ratings}
String = {Adjust Director Ratings}
String = {Use the UP and DOWN arrows to choose the list of actors you want to rate. Press SELECT to start rating those actors. Use THUMBS to give each actor one, two or three THUMBS UP or THUMBS DOWN.}
String = {Use the UP and DOWN arrows to choose the list of directors you want to rate. Press SELECT to start rating those directors. Use THUMBS to give each director one, two or three THUMBS UP or THUMBS DOWN.}

I'd be thrilled if they were more than leftovers though.

Does anybody know otherwise?

Posted by: Fleegle

What does TeachTiVo do? I've heard of it, but I hae no idea what it's for.

Posted by: feldon23

It allows you to go under the hood of the TiVo Suggestions engine and DRAMATICALLY improve the quality of the suggestions you get by adding and removing actors, directors, and genres that have been flagged wrong by your TiVo guessing what you meant when you pressed a Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down.

Wow. Long sentence.

Posted by: embeem

EVT_TEACH_TIVO is event teach tivo, it happens whenever you use thumbs up/down in a program; philhu's log just shows the event status.

There are teach tivo strings in mfs but they've been there since 2.0.

Posted by: DarkHelmet

quote:
Originally posted by feldon23
It allows you to go under the hood of the TiVo Suggestions engine and DRAMATICALLY improve the quality of the suggestions you get by adding and removing actors, directors, and genres that have been flagged wrong by your TiVo guessing what you meant when you pressed a Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down.

I've looked at what my thumbs ratings have turned into (tivoweb will show it to you) and I'm rather disappointed. I ended up doing a clear thumbs and starting again and spending quite a bit of time thinking about things, checking the details (actors, directors etc) before setting a thumbs rating on anything to make sure of the consequences.

It seems thumbs these days are an "average" of the ratings that you've given things. It seems that the implied single-thumb that happens when you record something counts for less than an explicit single thumb. ie: if you change a recording to two thumbs and then back to one single thumbs-up, it will usually lower the average for those genres/actors/directors etc.

I've had a lot of trouble with thumbs since 2.5.. suggestions used to work really well for me in 1.x and 2.0.1, but took a nosedive in 2.5.1 (standalone). I'm not sure if I am imagining this or not, but it seems to me that something changed with 2.5. I got my dtivo's with 2.5, so I dont know for sure if it also happened there.

I'd kill to be able to correct the implied thumbs scores. tivoweb will tell you the difference between an implicit (teachtivo) vs implied (calculated average) thumbs rating. I just wish it could set explicit values. hint hint. :)

Posted by: ct williams

Why did they remove this? Was it because it was too complicated? It seems that Tivo wants to keep the interface almost brain-dead basic.

CT

Posted by: CptanPanic

I thought I heard from lightn in the tivo irc room like 6 months ago that someone was working on a tivoweb module to do this. I would kill for this. I could even help someone if they needed.

But this I would think would be a killer app.

CP

Posted by: angra

I made a mod to the UI module that allowed me to change the thumbsness of stuff that is shown in the "preferences" section of the UI module. But I could never thoroughly verify that it was working, and kind of ran out of time to mold my mods into an appropriate format for inclusion in the project. If any enterprising hacker is interested in doing the update work, I'm willing to send along what I did.