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24 - 4pm-5pm - spoilers likely
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Posted by: tonyoci

Just wanted to start this thread because I am really looking forward to the return of this show.

Too much Shield (watching the marathon), a disappointing OZ, and not much to see over the holidays has just built my excitement.

hmmmm now I really hope Jack survives the plane crash :)

T

Posted by: zaknafein

But wouldn't it be interesting if he didn't? If Joss where the executive producer, I might just wonder.

Speaking of The Shield, new season starts TONIGHT! Early BDay present for me! I can't wait for my season 1 DVDs to show up.

Posted by: tonyoci

I'm only half way through the shield marathon and I decided to watch OZ and 24 before catching up with the shield later in the week.

SEASON 1 SHIELD SPOILER TO FOLLOW

I loved the Shield I watched last night where the gay(ish) cop is getting it on with his man and Vic bursts in, I had assumed it was the end of the show and my mind started to wander, then I got a little shock. I would love to know how he knew.

T

Posted by: scottjf8

Well I'll start the discussion....

Oh my gosh, that saw.. damn that even freaked me out... wow...

Obviously Nina isnt' going to kill Jack... the way he said "this isn't over yet" you know he'll get out of it somehow... but hopefully she won't die, since I hope she comes back for the "third day."

Scary to think what has happened thus far, and it's just 5pm.. not even 12 hours into the day yet... lots of good stuff to come..

Posted by: Maui

Very good episode. We know that Jack won't die but that was a nice cliffhanger anyway. It leaves us to wonder just how he is going to get out of it.

The pace of the show was definitely helped by the the minimal use of Kim and the boyfriend and the fact that the wedding party is now fully embroiled in the main plot.

Now, if we could only get rid of the ex-first lady.... She annoys me no end.

Posted by: zaknafein

Agreed. Sherry (or however you spell it) has GOT to go

But wow was that an intense episode!

Posted by: cancermatt

If Dennis Haysbert (I think is his name), AKA The President, doesn't get any nominations for his very strong performance this year (Golden Globes have been announced, I think, but Emmy possibly -- maybe next year for this year's performance), the world isn't a just place. I mean really, I felt his emotion during his BIG decision.

Really enjoying the season -- especially this ep -- but I'm starting to wonder, pure speculation...

how the sister is going to get the info back to CTU... that Reyes is lying... that curly-haired girl is gonna get Jack's boss kicked outta CTU... Nina will die before the day's done... and Kim dies peacefully (ok, so I'm lying!).

Posted by: tonyoci

I agree this was a great episode. The removal of the wedding and Kim really helped.

I do have a problem with Nina's deal. It seems unworkable unless she immediately kills Jack. If her info proves good then they can just turn around and backtrack on a clearly illegal / unethical deal. She would know that so leaving Jack alive makes no sense from her point of view.

This is nitpicking but these flaws stood out in such an intense episode. Amazingly of couse we are only just over a third of the way through so there is a lot more to happen. I started to have a doubt or two about Michelle during this episode. There is no way that this can all be resolved with the existing characters, more people have to become involved.

T

Posted by: pmyers

very good info. My prediction that the plane going down was just a hoax to get Nina to talk was false. I also was glad to see the wedding party and Kim plot lines very small.

Posted by: philw1776

Ask yourself this...
Why was Said (sp?) the terrorist leader so concerned about what he knew was on the father's computer? That seriously points to the father, the prospective son-in-law or the BRIDE-TO-BE having some complicity. I'm contrarianly voting for the bride to be since up to now she's seemed so stupid, yet...

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by philw1776
Ask yourself this...
Why was Said (sp?) the terrorist leader so concerned about what he knew was on the father's computer? That seriously points to the father, the prospective son-in-law or the BRIDE-TO-BE having some complicity. I'm contrarianly voting for the bride to be since up to now she's seemed so stupid, yet...

I agree -- I'm thinking it's the sister about to be married as well....

quote:
Originally posted by tonyoci
I do have a problem with Nina's deal. It seems unworkable unless she immediately kills Jack. If her info proves good then they can just turn around and backtrack on a clearly illegal / unethical deal. She would know that so leaving Jack alive makes no sense from her point of view.

I agree with this as well. Plus, what's to stop the gov't from validating her info and then telling her it didn't pan out so no deal? Or sending in a sniper to take her out once the info is verified? And isn't Kiefer getting a little tired with his arms behind his head? :D

Posted by: pmyers

not to mention that she didn't really lead them to the bomb....just to the guy that's going to detonate it. I would think they would have required both pieces of information from her.

Posted by: wallace

For all of you wondering about how Jack is going to get out of it, lets not forget that the bomb was in the truck which had that screwup where 2 of the 3 guys transporting it died. Most likely it did or will not make it to the terrorist's house that Nina identified (where that whole torture bit happened) so she will not get to kill Jack after they do not find it there.

As I have mentioned in previous threads, I think the ultimate discovery of the bomb that is in the truck will come from the description of the truck and people from the man who helped changed the flat tire it got. If you recall he handed his business card to them and it is my guess it is sitting on one of the dead 2 that were in the truck and will eventually be discovered and used to ask the man the truck description.

I cannot figure out which of the 2 sisters had the access and is evil , although it seems obvious it has to be the one getting married since the other one had to get help to get into the system to see what was going on. Who knows though, I am excited to see what happens.

Posted by: cello

Plus, why would the non-bride sister have hired a private investigator if she were the evil one, and knew what was happening anyway?

Posted by: T-Veaux

While I know they aren't going to find the bomb in the next episode, IF they did, it would be very easy for a sniper to shoot Nina after they find the bomb and give the pardon to the sniper. :p

Posted by: jlb

quote:
For all of you wondering about how Jack is going to get out of it, lets not forget that the bomb was in the truck which had that screwup where 2 of the 3 guys transporting it died. Most likely it did or will not make it to the terrorist's house that Nina identified (where that whole torture bit happened) so she will not get to kill Jack after they do not find it there.

Being that often in this series what you see may not be what is (boy what the heck did I just say), the truck with bomb may not be THE bomb. What if this is a device to throw CTU off the trail. Who knows.

Either way, this is one heck of a ride!

Posted by: Dad

My $0.02

Re: Nina - Certainly a sniper is not out of the question but I think Jack wastes her in the next 2 hours. And who were the soldiers who shot the plane down and came to clean up? More local militia? I'm beginning to think that the bride is working with sahid (?). Geez and what about the conspiracy in the White House. Me thinks they are not directly involved but may be taking advantage of the situation to get rid of Palmer. It could be racism.

Or not.

Posted by: loopey

No one's pointed out how dumb, and unlike Jack, it was for him to leave Nina there for her to grab a gun and shoot him... Obviously they needed it for the plot, but it doesn't seem like he'd be that stupid.

Posted by: pmyers

well Jack also didn't grab or look to see if that dead "protector of Nina" guy had his gun or not.

Posted by: walters

I think Syed Ali is a decoy and either Nina is still against us or is unwittingly sending them to the decoy.

Posted by: NandoVel

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
well Jack also didn't grab or look to see if that dead "protector of Nina" guy had his gun or not.

I noticed that too... but then again, when he found Nina she was still handcuffed to her chair. So he probably knew or figured she couldn't have gotten out of her restraints to pick up his gun.

Posted by: daperlman

quote:
Originally posted by Dad
It could be racism.

:rolleyes: International espionage stemming from racism

Posted by: RickStrobel

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
well Jack also didn't grab or look to see if that dead "protector of Nina" guy had his gun or not.

His name was Rick. Why is that SO HARD to remember? :D

Posted by: RickStrobel

OK, here's a few gripes I have...

Jack pulls a 1" branch from his thigh. He's not bleeding all over the place? He'd have bled to death by now. Nina is knocked unconscious for the crash. A little mouth-to-mouth and she's in top shape again? Please! Self-deleting files, uh huh.

There's no way Nina can murder Jack and live for long, Presidential pardon, immunity or not. There are so many ways for her to be killed if she kills Jack. If I were the President I'd order someone to take her out if she did. What about all the CTU guys from the chopper? "She fired on us sir, we had no choice". I'm thinking that one of the commandos isn't completely dead and will sneak up from behind and take her out.

A few questions:
The PI and the sister didn't see anything, right?
The bomb is supposed to go off at Sayed Ali's house? If so, isn't his house up in the mountains, not a good place to detonate for maximum effect?

Posted by: walters

quote:
Originally posted by RickStrobel
The bomb is supposed to go off at Sayed Ali's house? If so, isn't his house up in the mountains, not a good place to detonate for maximum effect?

No, it's supposed to be detonated at Syed's house (not really clear on why they'd make it so complicated though -- seems like a suicide mission would be easier).

Posted by: Corey140

quote:
". I'm thinking that one of the commandos isn't completely dead and will sneak up from behind and take her out.

I don't remeber any of the commandos being killed. Second, they can't sneak up on her. She pushed herself up in the corner of the hole, so they can't get at her unless they shot from the air or the hill.

Posted by: philw1776

quote:
Originally posted by NandoVel
I noticed that too... but then again, when he found Nina she was still handcuffed to her chair. So he probably knew or figured she couldn't have gotten out of her restraints to pick up his gun.

NO
Nina was feeding Jack ammo for his automatic rifle. She surreptitiously held back the last magazine. Jack thought he was outa ammo and discarded the rifle. Nina, conniving bitch that she is, picked up the rifle loaded it and captured Jack.

Gotta love Nina.

Posted by: scottjf8

quote:
Originally posted by RickStrobel
OK, here's a few gripes I have...

Jack pulls a 1" branch from his thigh. He's not bleeding all over the place? He'd have bled to death by now. Nina is knocked unconscious for the crash. A little mouth-to-mouth and she's in top shape again? Please! Self-deleting files, uh huh.

Oh, sure, you gripe about the "self deleting files" but not about the blatant Microsoft product placement?

Nice Microsoft Money usage (and amazing how the one on TV does stuff the real one doesn't). Wonder if Intuit execs watch?

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by philw1776
NO
Nina was feeding Jack ammo for his automatic rifle. She surreptitiously held back the last magazine. Jack thought he was outa ammo and discarded the rifle. Nina, conniving bitch that she is, picked up the rifle loaded it and captured Jack.

Gotta love Nina.

Even if she didn't have the ammo, she still could've picked up the rifle and whacked Jack out cold with it pretty easily. Bad move, Jack, bad move.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

And lest we forget, Nina works for the Germans who were behind the plot to kill Palmer last year, and are presumably behind this year's plot(s) as well.

Her people want whatever is happening to happen. There is no reason whatsoever to believe she isn't still working towards their master plan.

Posted by: tonyoci

I think we know nothing because there is 15 (?) episodes still to go and that's a lot of story to tell for anyone to have a hope of figuring it out now.

T

Posted by: Graymalkin

I'm beginning to think the nuclear bomb is only going to carry us to hour 16 or so -- and that the rest of the day will involve a coup d'etat of the U.S. government.

Posted by: T-Veaux

Maybe it is just me, but doesn't Nina (Sarah Clarke) look like Harry Potter (Daniel Radcliffe) grown up with a sex change???

Harry Potter...
http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/66/07/12f.jpg

Nina Myers...
http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/93/08/22f.jpg

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Graymalkin
I'm beginning to think the nuclear bomb is only going to carry us to hour 16 or so -- and that the rest of the day will involve a coup d'etat of the U.S. government.

The first part has been obvious from the start--since the bomb is going off "today", there will still be eight hours of show after the scheduled detonation.

But yes, the Great Conspiracy (the one that started last season) seems to be aimed at Palmer, and seems to be much more deeply entrenched in the government thaan had previously been hinted.

Posted by: loopey

quote:
Originally posted by Corey140
I don't remeber any of the commandos being killed. Second, they can't sneak up on her. She pushed herself up in the corner of the hole, so they can't get at her unless they shot from the air or the hill.

I think you're confusing the commandos with the CTU people. The commandos were the guys in the desert fatigues that showed up first at the crash site and attacked Jack. They supposedly killed them all. The CTU guys were in black and arrived in the helicopter. None of them died.

A commando not being dead might be a good idea to get Jack out of trouble. If he sneaks up and hides behind a bush he can shoot her before she has any idea what's going on. If he takes her by surprise because she's been lulled into a false sense of security she won't shoot Jack or he will react fast enough to get out of the way.

Posted by: Corey140

quote:
Originally posted by loopey
I think you're confusing the commandos with the CTU people. The commandos were the guys in the desert fatigues that showed up first at the crash site and attacked Jack. They supposedly killed them all. The CTU guys were in black and arrived in the helicopter. None of them died.

Yep, that's what I did.

quote:

A commando not being dead might be a good idea to get Jack out of trouble. If he sneaks up and hides behind a bush he can shoot her before she has any idea what's going on. If he takes her by surprise because she's been lulled into a false sense of security she won't shoot Jack or he will react fast enough to get out of the way.

Why wouldn't the commando just kill Jack which would be an easier target than Nina? I'm pretty sure all the commando are dead.

Posted by: thehepcat

And what about the metal grinder or sander or whatever the hell that thing was....I LOVE FOX!!! I was particularly fond of the guy taking off his plastic smock/poncho thing and the blood spattered all over it.

And the Foley effects when the PI got capped.....brilliant.

Haysbert would get my Emmy vote....that was a powerful performance.

6 days 23 hours until 5:00:00

Posted by: loopey

quote:
Originally posted by Corey140

Why wouldn't the commando just kill Jack which would be an easier target than Nina? I'm pretty sure all the commando are dead.

She knows things and she's cooperating with the government. Maybe they will take Jack hostage after killing Nina.. Of course they want to kill both I'm sure, but for the show it might work that they kill Nina first then allow Jack to get away before getting killed. They've got to do something.

Posted by: RickStrobel

We don't know if the commandos want Jack, Nina or both dead. So, if you were the commando who would you take out first? All other things being equal I'd shoot for the one with the gun first.

Where are the CTU guys in black at the moment?

Posted by: Sinuralan

I personally loved how Syed pulls out his pistol, murders the PI with two shots, then puts his pistol away and says to kill the sister who is standing right next to him.

Why not just turn and shoot her? I know he had more than two shots in his clip. :P

Probably didn't kill her because they must arrange a complicated death contraption that will take at least 15 minutes to kill her and thus allow time for an escape. :)

Posted by: DanT

I agree, there's absolutely no reason he didn't kill her too, other than lame writing. So now the guy is gonna want to rape her first, and she'll somehow escape, or CTU will show up at the house just in time, etc.

Posted by: Corey140

quote:
Originally posted by RickStrobel

Where are the CTU guys in black at the moment?

Still standing down over on the hill.

Posted by: RickStrobel

Can Nina see them?

Posted by: loopey

Of course. I wouldn't imagine she'd let them out of her sight.

Posted by: vertigo235

They should shoot her right away. Since she's allready said she's going to kill Jack and they know where the bomb is.

I'm sure the president will give pardons to anyone who needs one :)

Posted by: philw1776

quote:
Originally posted by vertigo235
They should shoot her right away. Since she's allready said she's going to kill Jack and they know where the bomb is.

I'm sure the president will give pardons to anyone who needs one :)

Precisely.
The "Mark Rich" pardon stuff is kinda ludicrous. I mean do whatever and Bingo! you can get a pardon. It's a handy device that allows the writers to make practically anything happen.

Posted by: Graymalkin

Going slightly off topic for a second here.

Esquire has this nice shot of Sarah Wynter in this month's issue. I like it a lot better than any of the Catherine Zeta-Jones photos.

Posted by: dcheesi

I would guess that Saidh has a remote detonator, or maybe he's just the one who'll call the guy in the truck to tell him to launch.

The groom was an idiot to badmouth the bride's father. We don't actually know that he's a bad guy yet; he might simply have been used by the "CIA" operatives he dealt with. Telling your fiancee her father's a terrorist isn't the best way to win back her confidence.

Oh, and Yay! No more sappy Kim & Mini-Kim scenes! (I hope.) Kim's bad enough when she only has to think of her own safety; the kid added a whole new level of stupidity.

Posted by: bigray327

quote:
Originally posted by dcheesi
Oh, and Yay! No more sappy Kim & Mini-Kim scenes! (I hope.) Kim's bad enough when she only has to think of her own safety; the kid added a whole new level of stupidity.

Amen, brother. Maybe the terrorists could detonate a very small nuclear device that would turn just Kim and Mini-Kim (who is actually worse than Kim because she's not hot) into dust like on that dream sequence from Terminator. And then everyone else would be like, "Bummer. <pause> Wanna go get a cheeseburger?"

Posted by: philw1776

quote:
Originally posted by dcheesi

Oh, and Yay! No more sappy Kim & Mini-Kim scenes! (I hope.) Kim's bad enough when she only has to think of her own safety; the kid added a whole new level of stupidity.

What is there about 24 that makes you want to see most of the characters die horribly?
My A list...
Sherry (President's ex-wife; seriously needs killin')
Kim
mini-Kim (whimpering little bas...)
mini-Kim's Dad (OK,OK we're supposed to hate this character)
the bride to be (but NOT her HOT older sister)

Posted by: jlb

I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that Fox probably had to remove mini-Kim from the show at this point. She appears to be at an age where she could have a growth spurt at any moment that would be noticable from hour 1 to hour 24.

But nonetheless, I do feel part of what made this past hour so enjoyable was that the story did not get bogged down with any substantive Kim/mini-Kim material.

Posted by: pmyers

mini-Kim....I love it!

Posted by: Hunter Green

quote:
Originally posted by DanT
I agree, there's absolutely no reason he didn't kill her too, other than lame writing.

Well, it is vaguely possible that he's manipulating her into doing something, or telling him something, or telling someone else something. I'd sure be tickled pink if it turned out that way. But maybe even to think of that idea is being too optimistic.

Posted by: MannyVjr

If Nina is to die before the day is over the one doing the killing will be Jack or to a better extreme it will be Jack's boss (the one dying due to exposure to radiation --forgot his name).

Posted by: zalusky

The irony of that is that Mr Radiation is married to Nina in real life.

Posted by: niwi7

GREAT EPISODE--- BTW My friends and I were having a conversation and contest about what exactly that terrorist guy was cutting off that detective when he was torturing him? His back? Balls (sry for crudeness)? Feet? Fingers? Wuts the deal?

Posted by: DanT

I think he was grinding off a patch of skin on the guy's shoulder. When the guy is finally killed, he's got a huge bloody spot there. And that would be one hell of a torture method, just grinding through the skin and muscle like that. Uch.

What really surprised me (and may be the way Kate survives) is that they showed the guy's gun, but then he never used it. In TV, if you see a gun, it's gonna be important later.

Posted by: niwi7

ya maybe--- wutever that was some nasty shat---- in my opinions best 24 episode this season yet thou--- nonstop action with great plot

Posted by: pmyers

I think they were just cutting the skin so that the "mystery chemical poweder" they threw on him would hurt more by getting into the wound.

Posted by: dcheesi

quote:
Originally posted by pmyers
I think they were just cutting the skin so that the "mystery chemical poweder" they threw on him would hurt more by getting into the wound.

That "mystery chemical" is probably good old fashioned table salt; you know, "rubbing salt in the wound"? Although there are probably a few other chemicals that would hurt even more (a strong base like lye, perhaps?). In any case, I would think that grinding through flesh would hurt quite a bit on its own; the salt was just icing on the cake.

And yes, I think (hope) that Saidh was giving her one last chance to talk before they actually kill her. Even if it's not made clear, I think I'll stick to that story to preserve my respect for the show.

Posted by: Talon

I think they have a much sharper show this time around. So far I am buying it. It seems much more intense and nobody is annoying me, even the daughter. The twists are pretty good and not as predictable. Hope it continues like this.

Posted by: rhuntington3

Yes.... Kim is much less annoying this year than last. Definitely a good show.

Posted by: QueenBee

I thought it was interesting that Jack pulled that big piece of wood out of his leg (yuck) and then went trotting over to find Nina. Later he did start to lime a little. Oh, gosh. I guess that did hurt.