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ALIAS "The Getaway" <Spoilers!!!>
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Posted by: MalachiNY

Wow ! That Rocked!

I didnt see that very end coming at all!

My questions is... why wouls Sloan pretend to kill her (Sloan's wife) then frame someone (Faye) <and bring her back to life> just to pretend the kidknappers (Faye) kill her again?

Did I totally mess this up or did I miss something there. Thats the 'jist' I got when Jack and his X were talking in the end.

Edited:
Unless is was to get all that cash (ransom $$$) to pay that guy for that implant disrupter! Aha! I think I got it!

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

First, he pretended to poison her; then, they pretended she was still alive in order to blackmail SD-0 (I forget what they're called); then, they pretend to kill her again because they can't bloody well produce her in exchange for the ransom; then, they frame Faye for both the blackmail and, presumably, the murder.

I was surprised first that they settled this matter so quickly; it was dang sneaky of them, because I hadn't really put much thought into what was really going on--I figured they'd be dropping more stuff in all season. And I certainly didn't think they were the ones doing it!

This was an absolute kick-ass episode, and it completely renewed my faith in the absolute kick-ass nature of this show. Bring on the DVDs!

Posted by: cmontyburns

It was a clever twist, and I didn't see it coming either. Not even when Jack and Irina mused that it could have been a frame job on Kane. However, there's almost no way we could have seen it coming because the show wasn't honest with us as viewers. Every time Sloane got one of the "signs" that his wife might still be around -- the roses, the wine, the finger, seeing her on the street in the distance, the photo of her with the gunshot wound, and let's not forget when he opened her empty casket -- he reacted with shock and horror. This is a cheat of us as viewers since of course he was responsible for all of those things, and in many of the situations was completely alone and so didn't have to fake a reaction for the benefit of colleagues or others present. I still like the twist, but I wish they had set it up honestly.

p.s. And how did he get away with the money in the park?

Posted by: modnar

What an awesome episode!

Posted by: DancnDude

I really liked the shocker at the end! There were so many other ways that it could have turned out, but this way I never saw coming and that's why it was so great! If you wanted a possible reason for the shock, you could say that he reacted with shock each time he was alone because The Alliance was tracking his heart rate and breathing signs. If the signs didn't jump when he came across the stuff with his wife, The Alliance could have gotten suspicious.

Posted by: cmontyburns

quote:
Originally posted by DancnDude
If you wanted a possible reason for the shock, you could say that he reacted with shock each time he was alone because The Alliance was tracking his heart rate and breathing signs. If the signs didn't jump when he came across the stuff with his wife, The Alliance could have gotten suspicious.

Ah, good thought... but I don't buy it. It's one thing to look shocked; it's another to be shocked.

Posted by: Chandler Mike

quote:
Originally posted by cmontyburns
Ah, good thought... but I don't buy it. It's one thing to look shocked; it's another to be shocked.

I think he's so good at pretending in his life (think about how he has to lie to his employee's all the time) that he can turn on the shock and tears whenever he wants.

I think the chip implanted in him was a very good reason why he had to act shocked and why we were fooled. I forgot about that chip.

However, my problem is with that ring they gave him at the end that sends false information to the Allliance. How long would it take them to figure out that the sounds and words from Sloan aren't real?

Doesnt' seem like they would be fooled by him "driving down the freeway listening to the radio" for long.

Mike

Posted by: DancnDude

I kinda assumed that he would be wearing that ring only certain times when he wanted to block out what he was doing (like when he is with Emily). The same way Sydney and Jack have that pen thing that they pull out when they want to talk at SD-6. I guess we'll just have to see what happens.

Posted by: Tpfer

With all of SD-6 technology, I cant believe that they could not figure out a phony gunshot wound to the head(picture). Nor that they would just go ahead and pay 100 million without trying to track who is blackmailing them.
Still a lot of fun, but too many loose ends.

Also, when is someone going to get suspicious that everything Sydney brings back is messed up or doesn't work?

Posted by: johnjohn

To be honest, I wasn't at all suprised that the wife wasn't dead.

What you're all forgetting, I think is that this underlies Sloane's double standard. If his wife didn't have to die, why did Syd's fiancee have to die?

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by johnjohn
What you're all forgetting, I think is that this underlies Sloane's double standard. If his wife didn't have to die, why did Syd's fiancee have to die?

Umm...because Sloane is an evil s***? :D

Posted by: jlb

:up: :up:

Posted by: MalachiNY

quote:
Originally posted by Tpfer
Also, when is someone going to get suspicious that everything Sydney brings back is messed up or doesn't work?

You see I'm very cool with all the little things that don't tie up. I mean these aren't novels and we aren't "Trekkies". Meaning; we don't know more about this "world" Syd lives in than the writers do.

I do feel the same as Tpfer though. Syd keeps bringing back 'crap' from here missions <unless Dixon gets to them 1st>. If I were SD-6 I'd start to notice this.

Posted by: sguthrie

I had the same questions. I still don't get why you bother with the whole blackmail scheme. Everyone thought Emily was dead to begin with - why go through the whole blackmail thing and bring the issue back up? If all he was after was the money, it seems awfull risky.

Posted by: Attack

He had to do all of this just incase the "Alliance" didn't think he really killed Emily and decided to check the grave.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

And lest we forget. A hundred. Million. Dollars.

Posted by: bdowell

I had just recently commented in another thread that I didn't believe Emily was really dead, though of course viewers were led to believe otherwise.

I second many of the thoughts though that I'm getting tired of wondering just when someone from security section is gonna figure out that Sydney and Jack keep meeting up with the CIA.

Even though the 'known parties' that were involved in attempting to take out Sydney were killed, there has to be someone else sitting around that knows what happened.

Also, getting back to last week's show: 'I Marshall, and I'm here to rescue...' what happened to the bad guy in the wheel chair, and his threat against Marshall's momma?

I love the show, and can and do suspend disbelief just to watch the nice spy vs. spy and see Jenn Garner in the various outfits, but some things on the show are (like in the Trek universe) just too convenient.

Posted by: modnar

quote:
Originally posted by sguthrie
I had the same questions. I still don't get why you bother with the whole blackmail scheme. Everyone thought Emily was dead to begin with - why go through the whole blackmail thing and bring the issue back up? If all he was after was the money, it seems awfull risky.

I thought maybe he had some reason to get even with Aryana Cane (spelling?), and that it just fit into his whole master plan.

Posted by: Chandler Mike

quote:
Originally posted by DancnDude
I kinda assumed that he would be wearing that ring only certain times when he wanted to block out what he was doing (like when he is with Emily). The same way Sydney and Jack have that pen thing that they pull out when they want to talk at SD-6. I guess we'll just have to see what happens.

Good point, although what if he's in the office, turns it on...how does he control the sounds being played through it? Suddenly from the office to the car driving down the freeway?

Mike

Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
And lest we forget. A hundred. Million. Dollars.

I think you forgot to add, "Mua ha ha ha!!!"

:)

Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by cmontyburns
p.s. And how did he get away with the money in the park?

He had to have an accomplice to pick up the briefcase and call him on his cell phone. Could it have been Emily in disguise and disguising her voice with a computer? Sloane could have managed to get the right equipment to her.

So, how did Sloane place the order for the jamming device if the Alliance were able to eavesdrop on him? Did he do his negotiations all in writing??

Mike

Posted by: grecorj

My response? Who cares -- as long as Faye Dunaway is off the show, who cares? She was so damn unbearable to watch.

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by Mike20852
So, how did Sloane place the order for the jamming device if the Alliance were able to eavesdrop on him? Did he do his negotiations all in writing??

Possibly. Or more likely, he placed the order before they injected the listening device.

Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by grecorj
Possibly. Or more likely, he placed the order before they injected the listening device.

I suppose, but did he even know about it prior to receiving the injection? Also, the guy would have had to have some sort of access to it to be able to program a jamming device.

Posted by: cmontyburns

quote:
Originally posted by grecorj
My response? Who cares -- as long as Faye Dunaway is off the show, who cares? She was so damn unbearable to watch.

Yeah. Her cheekbones were like a whole character unto themselves.

Posted by: Grumpy Pants

I have a couple of other reasons why this was a great episode:

1. Airport Security
2. Push-Up Bra

:eek:

Posted by: johnjohn

I have to admit, I definitely said, "ok, here comes the running part."

Posted by: Graymalkin

Anybody noticed how Sydney driving up to her dad and yelling, "Dad! Get in!" parallels his rescue of her in the first or second episode of the series?

Posted by: DancnDude

quote:
Originally posted by Graymalkin
Anybody noticed how Sydney driving up to her dad and yelling, "Dad! Get in!" parallels his rescue of her in the first or second episode of the series?

Yeah I noticed that right away and that rocked! That part was one of the big previews they kept playing before Alias went on the air.

Posted by: LoadStar

It was the first episode, and I noticed it right away. It was almost the same parking garage too (not that there's much major difference between parking garages, but still).

I was almost hoping they'd stretch the sequence out to match the timing and length of the first episode... in this case, it was significantly abbreviated.

Oh, and Jeff - I agree. Syd makes punk look _good_. :-)

Posted by: Philosofy

I think Sloane was going to let Jack take the fall for Emily's ransom. He got Faye because he knew she would frame someone pretty convincingly, and he would be off the hook. When Jack found the evidence linking Faye to the dead Alliance member, Sloane ran with that instead because it was convenient.

However, one plot hole they missed: Sloane can't tell the Alliance about Faye's motive for messing with him and Emily. The Alliance doesn't know he killed one of their members, do they?

Posted by: Dignan

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy

However, one plot hole they missed: Sloane can't tell the Alliance about Faye's motive for messing with him and Emily. The Alliance doesn't know he killed one of their members, do they?

I think the Alliance knew about Briosh because it knew that Roger Moore had set Sloane up. At least that's the way I remember it.

Posted by: Attack

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
I think Sloane was going to let Jack take the fall for Emily's ransom. He got Faye because he knew she would frame someone pretty convincingly, and he would be off the hook. When Jack found the evidence linking Faye to the dead Alliance member, Sloane ran with that instead because it was convenient.

However, one plot hole they missed: Sloane can't tell the Alliance about Faye's motive for messing with him and Emily. The Alliance doesn't know he killed one of their members, do they?

Well Sloane had to have setup Cane because of the fact that Jack found out about an account she opened, this is why he went back to SD-6. And they also said that the money had gone Thur the account and converted to cash again before Jack told Sloane about this.

Also the Alliance know about Sloane killing Briole (sp?) because when they had that meeting to decide if they should kill Emily he asked if they should wait for the rest of the members and they said no. And they (the Alliance) hinted to him that they knew he killed Briole.

Posted by: whoknows55

quote:
Originally posted by LoadStar
Syd makes punk look _good_. :-)

I think Syd makes anything look good. ;)

Posted by: MalachiNY

quote:
Originally posted by Attack
Well Sloane had to have setup Cane because of the fact that Jack found out about an account she opened, this is why he went back to SD-6. And they also said that the money had gone Thur the account and converted to cash again before Jack told Sloane about this.

Now the way I saw it was ... Sloan opened up the account under <Fayes> name; <Faye> didn't really open the account ... He <Sloan> 'cashed' the money for himself (for the disruptor in his neck and just to keep his wife living well til death ... the $$ is why he brought his wife back to life in the Alliances eyes in the 1st place).

So <Faye> was actually "innocent" of all those things but Sloan knew she had good motive <in the eyes of everyone> because he knew about her and Briosh's relationship. I think I remember Sloan saying that Briosh was his mentor. So it is possible that he knew about their relationship.

<Sloan> sent the email to Jack about his killing of Briosh ... because he <Sloan> knew Jack would sniff out <Faye> as the the kidnapper.

Oh and .... I swear Syd & Micheal work just about to head upstairs to get 'freaky'

Posted by: Philosofy

When Syd and Michael were at dinner, my wife kept yelling "Kiss! Kiss!" So I kissed her, and she said "Not us, them!" Four years and the romance is gone. :D

Posted by: Mike20878

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
When Syd and Michael were at dinner, my wife kept yelling "Kiss! Kiss!" So I kissed her, and she said "Not us, them!" Four years and the romance is gone. :D

ROTFL!!

Posted by: Graymalkin

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
When Syd and Michael were at dinner, my wife kept yelling "Kiss! Kiss!" So I kissed her, and she said "Not us, them!" Four years and the romance is gone. :D

Best post of the day!

And it's not Briole, Briosh, or even Brioche (mmm... Brioche). It was Briault.

Posted by: GT3NE1

quote:
Originally posted by Mike20852
ROTFL!!

They were going to do more than kiss. :)

Posted by: Philosofy

quote:
Originally posted by GT3NE1
They were going to do more than kiss. :)

So was I. ;)

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by GT3NE1
They were going to do more than kiss. :)

Or were they? I contend that when Syd said "okay" at dinner (just before they had to dive out of the way of the bullets), she was referring to the discussion of whether they should go upstairs or not, not "okay" let's go upstairs.

Posted by: Element

The parts where Sloane found the wine glass, seeing his wife in the street, etc. make some sense with the theory that he needed to do so because the Alliance was watching him. Also it is possible that he did so simply to try to convince himself and trick himself into believing she really was dead, in order to make his shock and reactions more believable. The one thing I didn't like about this is that us, as the viewers, had almost no way of figuring out what was going on since we were deceptively shown only the parts where he was shocked. For example, the wine glass scene. Clearly he must have put it there himself, or had someone do it for him (the fact is he knew it would be there), and if we had seen that part we would obviously have known what was going on.

Still my second favorite show though (next to 24 of course). Surprisingly...my favorite character is actually Marshall. :p

Posted by: AJRitz

I've been over and over this in my head, and I still can't decide why the need for the kidnapping/ransom money. I know he needed the geek to build him the interrupter to counter the Alliance implant - but he murdered the guy as soon as he got the ring. Meanwhile, the kidnapping/ransom shennanigans cost Emily her finger. Why not just bring the ringmaker counterfeit money if you're going to kill him anyway? The only thing I can think of is that the ransom money will be used to provide for the hidden-away Emily, as it was in bearer bonds/cash and is therefore untraceable. Anybody have any better ideas?

Also, I think the whole thing with the Faye Dunaway character was just an effort to clear away any remaining John Brio supporters who might pose a problem later. I think Sloane probably knew that she and Brio were having an affair. He brought her in, knew that she wouldn't be able to find Emily (because only he knew what was going on) and would try to frame someone. She instead found some actual discrepancies that could cause problems for Jack, but Sloane just assumed she was trumping them up. Now she's out of his hair and there shouldn't been too many John Brio supporters left hanging around.

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by AJRitz
I've been over and over this in my head, and I still can't decide why the need for the kidnapping/ransom money.

Well for one, perhaps all is not as we thought.

Read here, but a major, major spoiler alert, okay? Major!

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by grecorj
Well for one, perhaps all is not as we thought.

Read here, but a major, major spoiler alert, okay? Major!

But the spoilers are tagged, and the thread actually teaches you how to AVOID a major spoiler!

(The warning is the the TiVo GUide Data for the post-Superbowl Alias contains a major spoiler.)

Posted by: grecorj

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
But the spoilers are tagged, and the thread actually teaches you how to AVOID a major spoiler!

(The warning is the the TiVo GUide Data for the post-Superbowl Alias contains a major spoiler.)

Oh, of course -- and you did a great job with your other post -- but some people are hyper-sensitive to spoilers, so I just wanted to add a bit more warning. :D

Posted by: whoknows55

Does this mean i need to stop looking at alias guide data?

Posted by: Zen

I never read it anymore. I've found that the show is MUCH more enjoyable now that I don't know exactly what will happen each week. I don't watch the "Next week on Alias!" stuff either.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I look at the guide data to make sure it's a new episode (sometimes they get mislabelled, as with Stargate's recent problems). When I checked the new Alias, I learned something I didn't want to know. This is so unusual, it won't stop me from checking guide data--but it certainly merits a warning!

Posted by: Dignan

I was really disappointed when I read the spoiler in the guide data. As a rule I NEVER watch the upcoming episodes peeks (don't get me started on the Taken sneaks before commercial breaks!!).

This episode in particular was of special interest because of the Superbowl, I wanted to make sure to pad it because of the nature of football.

I'm just hoping the spoiler is pretty minor in the scheme of things, we'll see.

Posted by: jlb

I read the spoiler. Doesn't spoil too much.....I mean it won't ruin the episode for anyone. I think the spoiler will work well. I like the characteristics of the spoiler.

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

quote:
Originally posted by Dignan
I'm just hoping the spoiler is pretty minor in the scheme of things, we'll see.

I guess it depends on if the spoiler represents a temporary condition or a permanent one. If the certain person remains in a certain place with a certain other person, then the spoiler condition could endure, although if that IS the case, I doubt that the other certain other person involved in the spoiler would engage in the spoiler condition for an extended period of time, in which case the spoiler condition would be subject to further modification.

But if the first certain person's current condition is temporary, then the spoiler condition would only last a short time, and the spoiler condition would evaporate upon the disruption of the first certain person's current condition.

Hope I didn't spoil anything! :D

Posted by: Imageek2

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Hope I didn't spoil anything! :D

LA LA LA LA (fingers in ears) I'm not listening! :D

Posted by: dcheesi

I guess I was lucky. I looked at the guide data last night when I was setting up padding, but I didn't notice anything spoilerish and I've since forgotten what it said.

BTW, I think with Kane discredited, the Bristows won't have anything to worry about. All her evidence is now suspect, since it's assumed she was trying to frame Jack. And those operatives of hers were mostly from the splinter group, which I'm guessing is why the CIA couldn't keep up with them (Vaughn said all SD-6 operatives were being tracked).

I saw the Kane as Briault agent thing coming, but I thought they would take longer to wrap it up. I wasn't suprised about Sloane's wife being alive, although my theory was that she was the one tormenting him.

Posted by: Dusty

This show surprises me every week, and did this episode...except for the fact that Sloane didn't kill his wife. From the moment he was to have killed her, I knew he wouldn't. The scene where they are having dinner, and gives her the wine, cranks up the music, and starts talking, was the give away for me. I knew he was explaining it all to her, and hatching a plot. The shock he had at each incident regarding the blackmail, I figured was because he could never know who was watching... I didn't realize the neck thing gave the Alliance so much info. Still, gotta love it!! :D

Posted by: ronsch

Well, I finally got around to watching this episode this morning (Television your way:) ) and WOW. I didn't see the ending coming either. As to all the previous discussion about Sloan reacting to events when he was alone but monitored, I thought many of those things happened before he got his injection?