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Buffy 7x12 "Potential" SPOILERS!!
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Posted by: TiVoLance
Well I can't wait until tonight for my Buffy fix. Lets the the refresher speculations going! I am wondering if Gile's mystery (the unexplained Ax to the Head) will be revealed tonight? I was reading Anti-It-Cool-News.com and they had a small later season spoiler (don't read the spoiler sites but I happened to come along it).
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
That Emma Caulfield said that this is definately her last season on
Buffy. Wonder how they will write her out? I sure will miss
Anya/Anyanka.
Buffy enlists Spike's aid in graphic, intensive training of the
Potential Slayers in anticipation of the expected cataclysmic return of The
First. Meanwhile, Willow performs a spell that reveals that another
unexpected Potential Slayer is living in Sunnydale.
WHEN is Faith coming??
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
The problem with setting up show discussion threads many hours before the show airs is by the time the show airs, the thread is long-gone, and people start up new threads...then, you have multiple threads.
Posted by: TiVoLance
OK I won't do it anymore. I just thought people might want to dicuss Buffy before it came on. /shrug must be bored at work
Posted by: ClutchBrake
Not if we keep bumping this thread every hour or so. :D ;)
Posted by: zaknafein
:)
I just happened to be looking through my ToDo list, and noticed that next week's ep is a rerun of Help. Do they just anjoy torturing us?
Posted by: Philosofy
How much ya want to bet that Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Dawn is identified as a possible slayer?
Posted by: TiVoLance
Nooooo say it isn't so Philosofy!! I still think she should have had "special powers" or something! I mean if you were a entity of pure energy made flesh shouldn't you be able to at least zap people ;) BTW I was rereading the synosis and was wondering what constitutes "graphic, intensive training". Sounds sketchy.
Posted by: harvscar
Awesome ep! I was off work today so I downloaded the copy at a.b.m.b-v-s and watched it. It's a little slow-paced in the middle but I love the ending, very touching. Nice TiVo reference to watch for too, from an old friend even.
Posted by: bdowell
I missed a few episodes in the middle, and unfortunately epguides.com doesn't offer the answers for this, so if some folks don't mind, here's a question about current state of affairs:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
How did Giles escape from the axe?
Feel free to go into some depth in the reply, as I have read up on epguides on the episodes in between what I saw last week, and what I last saw which was:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Buffy defeating the uber vamp last week after having the telepathic conversation with Willow and setting up the 'show' in front of the slayers in training
Posted by: Agatha Mystery
quote:
Originally posted by bdowell
I missed a few episodes in the middle, and unfortunately epguides.com doesn't offer the answers for this, so if some folks don't mind, here's a question about current state of affairs:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
How did Giles escape from the axe?
We don't know that he did. That's part of the speculation.
Posted by: kdmorse
TiVo - The PVR of choice for demons with skin conditions....
-Ken
Posted by: Maui
The ending was GREAT!!
That one ranks up there near the top of the list of touching Buffy scenes.
Posted by: coldtoes
Heh heh ... Clem said "TiVo" ... heh heh.
:)
Posted by: TiVoLance
I thought the ending was touching as well. MUCH better than blindly making Dawnie a potential. I always felt bad for Xander (esp. in The Zeppo). Talk about inferiority complexes. Well still no word of the Giles mystery or more info on the first. Come on Josh through us a bone ;P
Posted by: Graymalkin
Excellent ending. Only thing is, Dawnie's still The Key. Xander is still, well, Xander.
Of course, Xander might make a good Watcher, y'know.
Posted by: murgatroyd
Clem must have gotten one of those open-box specials. ;)
Jan
Posted by: LoadStar
No matter who wrote the episode (Rebecca Rand Kirschner, if you're curious), you can definitely tell who wrote the ending. There is no way that those words came from anyone but the master himself, Joss... that ending kicked butt. I so like Xander now. That scene almost made the episode worthwhile.
Almost.
Unfortunately, the middle of the episode (referred to above as "slow") wasn't just slow, it felt like a plane being put into a holding pattern. Xander, Anya and Andrew went around and around about the whole Dawn being a potential... they rehashed it, and rehashed it, and rehashed it... that whole scene probably would've been better had they faded the voices of the people downstairs out, and just showed Dawn in her solitude with a musical interlude in the background.
And speaking of Dawn - is she required by contract to have no fewer than 3 minutes of on-air screaming per season? I knew she couldn't be a potential - all she seems to be able to do well is scream. I mean, the ending almost made me like her again - but I know that the writers can't seem to handle writing Dawn like the age she is. They did it in the first episode, and now again at the end of this episode - other than that, she seems 12 in most of her scenes.
Yet another Buffy speech. I like them personally - it shows a different side to Buffy's character, going from slayer, to reluctant parent figure for Dawn, now to the voice of reason and experience, attempting to pass on her knowlege to the next generation. However, I think even for me it's getting perilously close to being overdone. We have a Buffy speech in every episode now.
Chloe gone, mysteriously, without a mention. In real life, the actress had a scheduling conflict - but it would've been nice to have at least an offhand mention of where the heck she is... say she's out with Giles or something, I don't know. Just having her mysteriously gone without a mention was kind of confusing - you wanted to yell "Uhh - guys - you're MISSING SOMEONE!!!"
Overall, nothing important happened this episode... and that's been the case for the last few episodes. They've all been essentially the same plot - SITs learning how to be slayers. Ok, we get it. Can we get on with a real plot?
Spuffy fans were probably enjoying the moments between the two of them this episode... I'm not even a spuffy fan, and they were nice character moments.
The bit with both Buffy and Spike training the SITs is a favorite theme with fan fiction writers - I can't tell you how many stories I've read with Spike and Giles, or Spike and Buffy training new Slayers, with Spike in a sort of non-watcher watcher role. I'm glad to see it on the series - it does work well in my opinion.
Bleh - next week, another repeat. *sigh*
Posted by: JYoung
I too loved the end scene with Dawn and Xander.
It was just right and touching.
And at least they didn't take the easy way out and make Dawn a potential slayer ..... yet.......
(Clem has a TiVo!!! :D )
Posted by: LoadStar
quote:
Clem: Oh, my God, it is so good to see you! I saw this great show on the History Channel the other night that I knew you would love, but then something went all flooey with my TiVo.
Hah - love the line!
Anyone know who captioned this episode? I turned on CC, and lo and behold - they even got TiVo capitalized right!! Right on! :D :) :D
Posted by: DanT
Nobody's yet mentioned my choice for the funniest line from this episode.
When the SITs are choosing weapons from the table, the black SIT makes her choice of the stake: quote:
Black SIT: "I like the feel of wood in my hand."
Lesbian SIT: "You lost me there."
I had to rewind that one and laugh all over again.
Posted by: zaknafein
quote:
Originally posted by LoadStar
Hah - love the line!
Anyone know who captioned this episode? I turned on CC, and lo and behold - they even got TiVo capitalized right!! Right on! :D :) :D
Maybe it was trainman. :) Someone refresh my memory, what episode was Glem in? Seems like he was the one saying at Spike's place when he split at the end of season 6, but I can't recall.
Good episode, but I'm disappointed they didn't try to at least move the Giles story along. That, and we have to wait ANOTHER FREAKING TWO WEEKS for a new ep.
Posted by: DanT
Clem has been in several episodes throughout Season 6, and one or two in Season 7. I believe he made his first appearance in the "kitten poker" episode, whichever one that was. ("Smashed" or "Wrecked" maybe.)
Posted by: murgatroyd
On second thought, Clem was probably trying to hit the record button to save the show in the buffer and hit the channel-change button instead.
Either that or it was bad guide data. :D
Jan
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
I think the speeches are perfectly natural...she's the Watcher, her charges face constant near-instant death, constant rallying of the troops is called for!
Buffy the Watcher. Now, there's a concept!
Posted by: KnightShade
quote:
Originally posted by TiVoLance
I thought the ending was touching as well. MUCH better than blindly making Dawnie a potential. I always felt bad for Xander (esp. in The Zeppo). Talk about inferiority complexes. Well still no word of the Giles mystery or more info on the first. Come on Josh through us a bone ;P
Although it is interesting that when the First is in "retreat", Giles is out of town...
Posted by: sschwart
Double kudos to Buffy last night, first for giving Clem a TiVo, and secondly for not taking the cheap-ass "Dawn the Vampire Slayer" way out :)
A little slow, but a good episode. Great Xander speech at the end.
-Steve
Posted by: grins
I missed it too, but over at TWoP they are frothing at the mouth about everyone (including Buffy) saying that when Buffy dies, one of the SITs gets chosen to be the next slayer.
Buffy is not the current slayer, Faith is. Joss says so. This is the word of the Lord.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
Joss knows this. Buffy doesn't. :D
Posted by: Fleegle
Most of the posts here have mentioned Xander's end monologue. I've wondered how he feels about all his friends having some kind of powers. Heck, even Cordy is now part-demon with visions from a Higher Power over on Angel. Xander expressed himself in almost exactly the same way that I would have expected. Nicholas Brendon really impressed me with that scene.
After digesting the scene overnight, I realize how much that speech sounds like something a person might feel at a high-school reunion when they realize so many others have done great things while he plodded along. Substitute Doctor, Lawyer and CEO for Slayer, Witch and Demon, and you have feelings that could fit many, many people.
I think Loadstar's right. That ending came straight from Joss.
Posted by: Fleegle
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Joss knows this. Buffy doesn't. :D
Well, since no slayer was called when she died the 2nd time, you would think that she could surmise that a slayer nwouldn't be called if she does THIS time...:rolleyes:
I, too, found this annoying...
Posted by: jgickler
quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Joss knows this. Buffy doesn't. :D
If Buffy doesn't realize it, then shouldn't she think that there are three slayers out there. Her, Faith, and someone who was activated when she died the last time?
Posted by: TreborPugly
quote:
Originally posted by jgickler
If Buffy doesn't realize it, then shouldn't she think that there are three slayers out there. Her, Faith, and someone who was activated when she died the last time?
She might figure that Faith was recalled when she died the second time, but every time she comes back from the dead, she takes over the job as Slayer.
There is also her own perception here. She is obviously doing the job of the Slayer. What is Faith doing? If Buffy dies, she knows that someone will have to take over, even if they don't get Slayer strength. Someone will have to step up and protect Sunnydale if Buffy dies, so that's what she tells them.
Treb.
Posted by: grins
Is Faith still in prison?
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by grins
Is Faith still in prison?
Last we heard, but she's gonna be on first Angel, then Buffy this season, so either she's getting out or both shows are turning into Chicks in the Big House shows.
Posted by: grins
:D
Now I want to watch even more!
:D
Posted by: TiVaholic
I think they mentioned it, but where did Giles "go"? Also, can somebody make an announcement when Faith's going to be on Angel so I can record it?
I had noticed Chloe was missing, also. Wasn't there somebody else, too?
Posted by: Jonathan_S
quote:
Originally posted by jgickler
If Buffy doesn't realize it, then shouldn't she think that there are three slayers out there. Her, Faith, and someone who was activated when she died the last time?
Well Buffy and co never talked about another slayer being called; which could either mean that they know one didn't get called when Buffy died again, but it isn't worth discussing. Or that they assumed that one did, but because Buffy (and Faith) had cut themselves off from the Watcher network that they just weren't going to be told about it.
Nothing requires that a slayer be sent to the hell mouth. If we didn't have Joss saying that there isn't a third slayer we could well assume (as Buffy might be) that there is, but the watchers were keeping her away from the corrupting influences of Buffy :)
However, I think it is more likely that Buffy is trying to avoid complicating the situation any more that necessary. The girls only knew a vague rumor that there was a second slayer so wouldn't realize that Buffy could be the 'unofficial' slayer. And for the potentials to be of any use to Buffy in fighting the first she needs to train them and motivate them. Using "If I die it all falls to you" is a great attention getter; we don't know if Buffy believes it, only that she is using it to focus the potentials on the task at hand.
Posted by: Bryanmc
Except that Dawn said that for her to become a slayer meant Buffy had to die. Or at least, that's what's implied.
I'm sure she knows about Faith.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
Giles went to China to pick up another potential.
Posted by: grins
And please spoiler tag Faith's arrival if you post it!
Posted by: walkerism
Can someone tell me where I can download this episode? My tivo missed it. :(
Posted by: harvscar
You can get a decent VCD (what I got yesterday) or a divx copy at alt.binaries.multimedia.buffy-v-slayer . Go here if you need an intro to downloading via newsgroups.
Posted by: rexdart
On the subject of slayers dying and new ones being called...I think we can all safely say that the rules are broken. The "ball of eyes in a basket" (seer demon) made it quite clear to Giles and Anya that the line of succession is wrecked (or at least terribly bent).
Faith's presence has nothing to do with Buffy. She was called because of Kendra (I know everyone is aware of that, just putting my thoughts down). Things might have been ok after her resuscitation by Xander - problematic in that you now had two jedi's strong with the force, Kendra and Buffy, but maybe ok.
It can be easily assumed that the magical nature of her recent restoration is what really threw things for six and could very well have put her back in the line meaning either one's death will call another slayer. That very fact, if so, is the reason why the line is damaged, there will continue from this point on to be two slayers until something is done to correct it. I would venture the notion that this "something" is what it will take to stop the First. Perhaps one of the two losing their powers and restoring the line. Something like Buffy sacrificing her powers in some way and Faith dying, bam, new slayer, just one.
So basically, her coming back after season one, from natural causes and by natural means, called Kendra and took Buffy out of the loop. Subsequently, her death in "The Gift" did not call another. The nature of her return (magic's attempt to restore reality maybe) forced her back into place as a slayer and altered the slayer line.
geez, this was so much easier to work out when I could drink beer regularly back in Texas!
Posted by: walkerism
quote:
Originally posted by harvscar
You can get a decent VCD (what I got yesterday) or a divx copy at alt.binaries.multimedia.buffy-v-slayer . Go here if you need an intro to downloading via newsgroups.
WoW! I'm using grab it and I'm having a heck of a time. I downloaded osme .par files but I don't think that all the files are there. Oh, well. I guess I missed out!
Posted by: coldtoes
quote:
Originally posted by TiVaholic
Also, can somebody make an announcement when Faith's going to be on Angel so I can record it?
Last I heard it was supposed to be
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
3 episodes on Angel followed by 5 on Buffy. The IMDB has the first Angel ep scheduled for February 19.
Posted by: zaknafein
quote:
Originally posted by walkerism
WoW! I'm using grab it and I'm having a heck of a time. I downloaded osme .par files but I don't think that all the files are there. Oh, well. I guess I missed out!
If you have a broadband connection, PM me.
Posted by: Opus
quote:
Originally posted by rexdart
geez, this was so much easier to work out when I could drink beer regularly back in Texas!
Brew your own! :D That's what I started doing after I moved to OK, and found all this low-alcohol beer around here that just doesn't taste right.
Posted by: Xaa
Man, I never know if that show is going to scare the sh1t out of me, or make me cry like a school girl. Best show on TV, Great Season.
Xaa
Posted by: rexdart
quote:
Originally posted by Opus
Brew your own! :D That's what I started doing after I moved to OK, and found all this low-alcohol beer around here that just doesn't taste right.
That's a thought Opus! :D
I just cannot get the hang of driving 15 or 20 miles to buy beer!
Sure cuts down on the "impulse" drinking!
And since I am not alcoholic, by definition, all my drinking is impulse!
Wait a minute, don't want to get off topic........BUFFY ROCKS!
boy, was that was cheesy.
Posted by: David Platt
quote:
Originally posted by DanT
Nobody's yet mentioned my choice for the funniest line from this episode.
When the SITs are choosing weapons from the table, the black SIT makes her choice of the stake:
Black SIT: "I like the feel of wood in my hand."
Lesbian SIT: "You lost me there."
I had to rewind that one and laugh all over again.
I was wondering if I was the only one that caught that. My favorite line of the episode was when one of the Scoobies said something about the whole 'Dawn and Buffy sharing the same blood' thing, and Anya replies:
"Yeah. I never got that."
I think Joss was really poking fun at the raging Interent debate about the merits of the end of Season 5. :D
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
quote:
Originally posted by Xaa
Man, I never know if that show is going to scare the sh1t out of me, or make me cry like a school girl.
I guess we just have to accept the fact that eventually, it's gonna be "All Of The Above"...
As soon as my TV buddy Gary and I are through with I, Claudius, it's Buffy Season 3. Talk about cry like a schoolgirl! The prom scene where Buffy gets the thing is one of the most powerful moments in TV history, and then the graduation ceremony right on its heels. That's when I knew that Buffy wasn't just a fun show, it was one of the all-time greats.
Posted by: jgickler
Well, all the scoobies, including Dawn should know about Kendra and Faith and the way succession has been explained in the past. I realize that Dawn was not in the episodes, but since the Monks inserted her in the past, Dawn should now have memories of that time.
In my mind, either Joss is changing Buffy History or there is some slayer succession caveat that we have not been told about, where when you are brought back from the dead by magic, you change the previously established rules. However, why did it take a year for this to happen, and why if this is common knowledge to everyone else, haven't we been told? I can understand Buffy not being completely honest with the Slayers in Training, but I really have no explanation why Dawn thinks that Buffy must die for a new slayer to be called.
Below are my Guesses as to what will happen later this season:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The final solution to why the line of slayer succession is being confused, and my guess is that the coven did some type of Jedi Mind Trick on everyone, to erase memories of Faith. Similar to nobody remembering that Ben and Glory were the same person. This was probably done to protect Faith, since the line of succession still goes through her, and not Buffy. This would explain why there are only vague rumors of another slayer.
I also think that the only way to defeat the first evil, will be to have multiple slayers, maybe killing and reviving either Buffy or Faith to call some of the slayers in training. Or Faith dies, calling a new slayer at the end of the season. What this will do is enable Buffy to "retire" since she would no longer be the sole slayer ( Buffy talked about this before Faith turned bad, then ended up in coma then jail). This would allow the series to continue without SMG, or with her in the limited role of watcher or leader of the group of slayers. This is all pure speculation, but it might be interesting.
Posted by: Rob Helmerichs
...and as I said earlier, I think it is important not to assume that Buffy knows everything Joss Whedon knows. She may just be wrong in assuming that her death will trigger a new Slayer.
Posted by: mrmike
Am I the only one that read the whole potential detector event differently?
In spoiler 'cause it could be one I guess.
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The seers couldn't pinpoint the potential because there are two of them. Dawn and Andrea(?). The "stinky-ball-o-light" started out not knowing what direction to go because there was no clear direction. When the two of them got close enough together (near the door), it had a vector and started moving, hitting Dawn first. I could just be deluded, too.
-MM
Posted by: DanT
Hey MM, that's a very good point! I hadn't thought of that.
Posted by: TreborPugly
quote:
Originally posted by mrmike
Am I the only one that read the whole potential detector event differently?
In spoiler 'cause it could be one I guess.
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The seers couldn't pinpoint the potential because there are two of them. Dawn and Andrea(?). The "stinky-ball-o-light" started out not knowing what direction to go because there was no clear direction. When the two of them got close enough together (near the door), it had a vector and started moving, hitting Dawn first. I could just be deluded, too.
-MM
Well, here's my thoughts: ( I don't think this really needs to be spoiler tagged, since it is only talking about this episode and the whole thread is spoiler tagged)
Given that all of these potential slayers are hanging out in Buffy's house, if there was another potential slayer there (Dawn) how would they know? Andrea was the one they were detecting but not pinpointing, since she was in Sunnydale, but not hanging out with the other potentials. However, I think the ending with Xander makes it clear that Dawn is not pre-slayer, but may be special in her own right. (other than the whole Key business)
Treb.
Posted by: Philosofy
When the episode started, I used movie logic to deduce that Andrea was the potential. (Movie logic is a term I invented, by using knowledge of an actor to determine the answer to a mysterious plotline.) Since I recognized Andrea as Millie from Freeks and Geeks, I knew that she would play a bigger part later in the episode. I also laughed a lot at the "wood in my hand" joke. And I didn't miss Chloe. (Who is Chloe?)
Posted by: Jonathan_S
I had the same thought on the potential detector; it got confused by the separation between targets; which is why it just hovered and pulsed for a bit.
I'm not convinced that Buffy's magical resurrection will turn out to be the cause of the imbalance which allowed the first to act. It just seems to straightforward and obvious, and Joss doesn't tend to do that...
I'm thinking that it was caused not by having 2 slayers (1 unofficial) but by the official slayer turning evil. But even if this isn't it I'm still betting against anything as straightforward as Buffy's return from the dead being the trigger.
Posted by: ClutchBrake
quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
When the episode started, I used movie logic to deduce that Andrea was the potential. (Movie logic is a term I invented, by using knowledge of an actor to determine the answer to a mysterious plotline.) Since I recognized Andrea as Millie from Freeks and Geeks, I knew that she would play a bigger part later in the episode. I also laughed a lot at the "wood in my hand" joke. And I didn't miss Chloe. (Who is Chloe?)
That is the only thing I hate about being a film/TV buff. I can always tell who will be relevant.
As for Amanda, that wasn't the first hint she was more than a regular girl. A couple of episodes ago she talked about beating up a boy who was picking on her. Naturally, it was written much more comical than my bland statement.
EDIT: Changed Andrea to Amanda. Thanks, DanT. :)
Posted by: JimSpence
Slightly OT here. I know that the gang knows that Faith is in jail in LA, but do any of them know that Cordy and Wesley are there? Or for that matter, what's happening there with their own big bad?
I also think that Dawn will be very important with whatever outcome happens. Afterall, she is still the key.
Posted by: grins
I know willow went to LA to tell angel that buffy was dead, but I don't remember who else was there when she arrived.
Posted by: DanT
Cordy and Wesley were there, because that was right after they'd rescued Cordy from Pylea. Plus Willow talked on the phone with Cordelia (a season or two before that) about Harmony being a vampire. So they should all know who's hanging with Angel.
And guys, the new potential Slayer's name is Amanda, not Andrea.
Posted by: conchita
quote:
Originally posted by jgickler
Below are my Guesses as to what will happen later this season:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
The final solution to why the line of slayer succession is being confused, and my guess is that the coven did some type of Jedi Mind Trick on everyone, to erase memories of Faith. Similar to nobody remembering that Ben and Glory were the same person.
That doesn't really make sense:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
When Giles first came back and told Buffy about TFE and the potentials, she said something along the lines of "first the potentials, then Faith, then me." So she still remembered Faith at that point.
Posted by: sschwart
Am I wrong, or were there more potentials around the house 2 episodes than this past one? I know one of them was dead... but I seem to recall 5 or 6 potentials, not counting the FE... And there were only 3 or 4 in the house this week.
Posted by: Robin
quote:
Originally posted by walkerism
WoW! I'm using grab it and I'm having a heck of a time. I downloaded osme .par files but I don't think that all the files are there. Oh, well. I guess I missed out!
Don't give up hope yet! An SVCD was posted yesterday and another VCD will be posted soon.
Posted by: Robin
quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
And I didn't miss Chloe. (Who is Chloe?)
I thought the Potential count was off when they referred to themselves as "four little girls" (or something to that effect) but I didn't realize it was because they'd mysteriously dropped a Potential.
Posted by: flammpanzer
Can someone help me out here? My tivo didn't make the switch over. Missed it, the one time all month I couldn't watch live. My broadband provider doesn't carry a newsgroup either is there another way to get the episode?
Posted by: zaknafein
quote:
Originally posted by flammpanzer
Can someone help me out here? My tivo didn't make the switch over. Missed it, the one time all month I couldn't watch live. My broadband provider doesn't carry a newsgroup either is there another way to get the episode?
Check your PM.
Posted by: aadam101
Does anyone think that maybe Faith is the reason that the first is here? That eye thing said that there was a disturbance. He wasn't specific. Giles and Anya just assumed that it was Buffy's ressurrection. We have no idea what Faith is doing in jail. She very well could have caused the disturbance herself. It doesn't make sense for the first to show up now. The slayer is probably the only thing on earth that could stop him. Why would he show up when there are not one but TWO slayers? Plus the first told the ubervamp to go after the potentials and not Buffy. Wouldn't it make more sense to get rid of Buffy and then go after the potetnials?
Someone posted (I think in the angel thread) about the connection between the beast and the first. The first has the same control over Spike that the Beast has over Angel. I think there could be a connection. I had hoped that this season there could be non crossover "crossover" It would be great if the only way to stop the apocalypse is for Angel and Buffy to both do something but separately of course.
Posted by: doom1701
OK, some general thoughts, after seeing Buffy and Angel (spoilered, for the faint of heart):
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I'm with Mr. Mike--Dawn is still a potential in my book. Xander's speach at the end would become kinda trivial if she is, but I still think it's a possibility. And, as I've said before, no slayer would need to die for Dawn to be called. I still theorize that it's not the death of the slayer that calls a new slayer--the Powers simply know when Slayer A is going to die, and "program" Slayer B to activate at that precise time. So at whatever exact age Buffy was "activated", Dawn will also be "activated". We could in theory have 3 slayers running around.
That is what I think they eyeballball meant when it said that the slayer line was screwed up. There's already two. There could be three. And Dawn's death would call a new slayer, so there would always be at least two.
It is rather interesting that when Giles is around, he is just "standing there". So we don't yet have any proof that he isn't dead, and The First is pretending to be him?
I wouldn't consider Buffy an expert on slayer lineage. Just because she has the idea that her death might call a new slayer doesn't mean that is the gospel truth.
How did Buffy initiate her little telepathic chat on the last episode? Sure, this doesn't need to be in a spoiler tag, but why stop now? :)
I read yesterday that Willow will be doing a guest shot on Angel in an upcoming ep. So there is still some cross over work going on. But it's gonna have to be big--after all, the Beast darkened the sun on Angel. Sunnydale has the same sun, so they're gonna notice. If they don't, I'm going to be offended.
I do like aadam101's idea about the connection between the control the first has over Spike, and the control the beast has over angel.
Posted by: TiVoLance
spoiler from TiVo guide data on 2/4
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
We finally find out about Giles!
Posted by: TiVaholic
TiVoLance, why did you have to do that?!!?!
It's so.....tempting......Must....resist....NOOOOOOOO.....I'm going to have to wait another week and 2 days to see what that says!
Posted by: TiVoLance
Mooooohahahaha actually it's not a huge spoiler it's from the guide data on TiVo (but WAS exciting ;))
Posted by: smak
Maybe Tivo should use spoiler text in the data, and you have to go wave a big mouse in front of it....
Has anybody heard anything about Angel being syndicated, because i have never been able to catch Angel from the beginning, and even though it has some ties to buffy, i think it is it's own series enough, that i should watch it from the beginning...
I feel i shouldn't just turn it on now (even for Faith), and not know anything that's going on....
-smak-
Posted by: DanT
Angel Season 1 DVDs are coming out in 2 or 3 weeks. That would be a good place to start.
Then, of course, you need to find Season 2 and 3, plus everything so far in Season 4 (currently 9 eps, although tomorrow 1/29/03 will be 4x10 if it's a new ep.) They can be purchased from the UK if you have a region-free DVD player, although at close to $100/season, it's pretty steep. You can try downloading them from the net, but that'll take you a long time, not just for the actual downloading process, but as far as newsgroups go, they're on a schedule, so it'll be several months before you get everything. And once the DVDs are released in Region 1 (here in the U.S., in 2 or 3 weeks) they won't be posting the first season to the newsgroup anymore.
Your other option is to find someone who has every episode on VCD/SVCD and make you copies, either on disc or VHS dumps.
Posted by: harvscar
They are doing an accelerated repostathon of Angel season 1 in the alt.binaries.buffy-v-slayer.repost newsgroup right now which will lead into a season 2 repostathon at the rate of about 1-2 eps a week. The eps are all VCD encodes and are wonderful quality. Sign up for an account at easynews and you should be able to go back to the first episode posted. Visit TimDoc if you need help getting started.
Posted by: DreadPirateRob
quote:
Originally posted by JimSpence
Slightly OT here. I know that the gang knows that Faith is in jail in LA, but do any of them know that Cordy and Wesley are there? Or for that matter, what's happening there with their own big bad?
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
I read somewhere (AICN?) that the Scoobs see on TV that there is no sun over LA, and Willow is going to be coming down to LA to get Faith, so safe to say that knowledge will transfer.
As for Cordy/Wesley - Willow at least knows about Cordy because they had that comical phone exchange about Harmony being a vampire/lesbian. Plus, Buffy made that appearance on Angel, but IIRC, no one can remember that one, right? In any event, I would assume that the Scoobs know that Wesley is there too.
Of course, they probably don't know about Connor, which could make things pretty interesting... especially for the Buffster.
(edited for spoilage)
Posted by: TreborPugly
quote:
Originally posted by DreadPirateRob
Of course, they probably don't know about Connor, which could make things pretty interesting... especially for the Buffster.
There ya go, how about a spin-off:
"Dawnie loves Connie" ?
They could form a band, and have lots of touching, humorous episodes about demons invading their life.
:)
Posted by: DanT
Hey DreadPirateRob, I know you're new here, but that's the kind of stuff that should be in spoiler tags!!!!
And before you ask, here's how to do it: [spoiler]Secret stuff goes here.[/spoiler]
Now please go back and edit your post, to hide that stuff from those of us who don't want to see it!
Posted by: DreadPirateRob
quote:
Originally posted by DanT
Hey DreadPirateRob, I know you're new here, but that's the kind of stuff that should be in spoiler tags!!!!
And before you ask, here's how to do it: [spoiler]Secret stuff goes here.[/spoiler]
Now please go back and edit your post, to hide that stuff from those of us who don't want to see it!
Sorry - already done.
I didn't really consider it that big a deal - but that's my fault. And yes, I knew how to do it (figured it out for an Alias post yesterday).
Posted by: murgatroyd
Just watched this episode again this morning. A couple of thoughts:
Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)
Do we ever see Giles and Eve in the same place at the same time? They find Eve dead in her motel room, so presumably she is dead before the others ever see her, and whenever we see the live Eve, it's really the First. Unless the First can manifest as more than one dead person at once.
And BTW, is that horribly fake Southern accent just bad acting, or is it supposed to be bad, to clue us in that this is the First? is the First imitating Drusilla's speech patterns to mess with Spike's head? or is it ass-backwards, and the reason that Drusilla is so insane is that the First has been mucking with her all along. Hmmmm.
Also really, really liked Xander's closing speech. What a fine actor Nicholas B. is.
Jan
Posted by: Robin
DreadPirateRob & DanT, thanks for your attention to spoiler marking. It was already fixed before I got to it and I really appreciate it!
Trying to stay innocent. It's surprisingly difficult... <was "hard", decided the potential was too great.>
Posted by: coldtoes
quote:
Originally posted by murgatroyd
Just watched this episode again this morning. A couple of thoughts:
[spoiler] Do we ever see Giles and Eve in the same place at the same time?.
I thought of that, too, after Showtime, and went back to check. I'm not sure that knowing that tells us anything one way or the other, but FWIW the answer is yes.
Posted by: Aces
What show did Clem TiVo off the History channel?
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