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New [UK] Toshiba TiVo?? - pic inside
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Posted by: Nick[Blarg]

Just browsing through the latest issue of T3 which fell onto my doormat this morning and spotted this small piece:

http://nick.blargoc.co.uk/tosh-tivo.jpg

Excuse the poor quality, new scanner and I'm still getting to grips with it. The image is nearly 300K big so you slowdem users might have to wait a bit.

Posted by: FJSRiDER

Cool - I do hope so.

http://www.apcf98.dsl.pipex.com/tosh-tivo.jpg
Nick[Blarg]'s image cleaned and reduced in size a bit!

Posted by: JTGN

Yep, I saw this small article tucked away in T3 too (I was browsing in WHSmiths).

This is some good news if they decide to put it into production - maybe it might have a DVD recorder instead of player when they get around to it :D

Here's the 'hello mate got a toshiba' link http://www.toshiba.com/tacp/news/jan_08_03_TiVo.html

Posted by: radish

Well that's one I won't buy - like I need another DVD player. Sheesh, when will manufacturers learn, I want a Tivo in one box, a DVD in another, an amp in another etc etc. :(

Posted by: MRussell

I was already getting excited by the prospect of the Toshiba DVD-RAM recorder with 160GB disk, RS232 and Internet connectivity that's supposedly coming out in Spring or Summer. Now if they put Tivo software in that!!!

Posted by: Nick[Blarg]

quote:
Originally posted by FJSRiDER
Cool - I do hope so.

http://www.apcf98.dsl.pipex.com/tosh-tivo.jpg
Nick[Blarg]'s image cleaned and reduced in size a bit!

Nice work m8! Obviously more patience than I posses :p

Posted by: GarySargent

A bigger picture of the hardware itself is in the post below (want a white background and no one seems to be posting followups!!!)...

Posted by: GarySargent

http://www.garysargent.co.uk/tivo/images/ToshibaTiVo.jpg

Posted by: iankb

I'm waiting for Sanderton to comment on the accuracy of this story, since I believe that it comes from his journalistic colleagues. :D

I notice that this will have USB 2.0, as opposed to the USB 1.0 of the basic Series 2.

Ian.

Posted by: Tilezzzzz

That would be prety cool,

Would have thought that they could come up with a nicer looking design, possably a bigger harddrive and as has been said a dvd recorder (although can understand if they dident put a recorder in it) as technology has come on a lot scince the first tivo (which i am still waiting for from CK Appliances 3 weeks later)

Hopefully is a sign for things to come in the UK

Chris

Posted by: iankb

While (unfortunately) I can understand them not adding a DVD Recorder, I wish they hadn't included the DVD Player, which I just see as an unnecessary and irrelevant expense. It will also put off anybody who already has a DVD player or integrated Home Theatre setup.

Ian.

Posted by: FJSRiDER

quote:
Originally posted by Nick[Blarg]
Nice work m8! Obviously more patience than I posses :p

'Seasy 2 min in Photoshop - blur, reduce size and save as a highly compressed .jpeg :D

Posted by: FJSRiDER

quote:
Originally posted by iankb
While (unfortunately) I can understand them not adding a DVD Recorder, I wish they hadn't included the DVD Player, which I just see as an unnecessary and irrelevant expense. It will also put off anybody who already has a DVD player or integrated Home Theatre setup.

Personally I consider having a integral DVD player is a great move - although I would prefer a recorder for archiving. Why have two boxes when you can have one. :)

It will be the first hack won't it?

Posted by: SpankySpanky

quote:
Originally posted by iankb
While (unfortunately) I can understand them not adding a DVD Recorder, I wish they hadn't included the DVD Player, which I just see as an unnecessary and irrelevant expense. It will also put off anybody who already has a DVD player or integrated Home Theatre setup.

Ian.

...unless they are au-fait with that wondrous site eBay.

:D :D

SS

Posted by: iankb

But I already have a better DVD player than Toshiba would include, and I like piling up my separates. :D

Ian.

Posted by: gblades

I can understand people not wanting a DVD player built in because they already have a very good quality player already and I admit I am one of them.

However Toshiba have an excelent reputation for building very good quality DVD players in the Ł100-Ł150 region. Just by making their TiVo also a DVD player is a great advertising move as it will be listed together with their other DVD players which is something I think we all want.

Posted by: guydewdney

quote:
Originally posted by iankb
But I already have a better DVD player than Toshiba would include, and I like piling up my separates. :D

Ian.

oh yes. stacking it up is fun.

Fingers crossed. Wheres 'pony whaen you want him??

Guy

Posted by: mtg101

quote:
Originally posted by gblades
However Toshiba have an excelent reputation for building very good quality DVD players in the Ł100-Ł150 region. Just by making their TiVo also a DVD player is a great advertising move as it will be listed together with their other DVD players which is something I think we all want.

Good point. The general populous don't get PVRs yet, but they do get DVD players. So if Tosh can knock out a TiVo/DVD for not much more than a DVD it might help TiVo break into the mainstream.

And hopefully Tosh would actually advertise the product. And maybe Dixon's could actually train their staff so they know about the products they're selling...

If that were to happen... I think we'd see TiVo take of in the UK.

Posted by: maubp

Nice... but would the DVD player be multiregion? (Appologies if this is a banned topic - probably hasn't had reason to come up before!)

Posted by: gblades

Other Toshiba players (the 210 and the new 220E) are region 2 only as standard. However you can download an alternative firmware and write it to a CD. Put the CD in the DVD drive and turn it on and within a minute you have a multiregion player :D

Posted by: PaulFozz

Frankly I don't really care what kind of DVD device they stick in it as long as someone releases some kind of TiVo unit! Is this actually a unit destined for the uk though, or is it just the unit for the US?

Posted by: SpankySpanky

It specifically states UK....

SS

Posted by: maubp

Do you think it will support other multimedia on the drive? This is one advantage of having a brain in the box compared to a standalone DVD player. Could be a paid for software extra (one off fee to Tivo...)

Sound:
Audio CD, MP3 or OGG on CD-ROM or DVD.

Pictures:
Photos on CD

Video:
In addition to DVD, they could support other codecs. DivX anyone?

See also this standalone player:-
http://www.tomshardware.com/consume...0124/index.html
(as reported on Slashdot)

Posted by: PaulFozz

quote:
Originally posted by SpankySpanky
It specifically states UK....

SS

True, but I've never had much faith in what magazines like T3 say. An official announcement direct from Toshiba or Tivo on the other hand...

:D

Posted by: asyfh_m

Scan do that DivX compatible player.

I was sorely tempted. Like the tivo it's just a linux box (uses an Arm processor). If it had an ethernet interface (or a way of adding one). My Samsung 709 would be in the skip and it would be in my hi-fi cabinet.

I did read though that most of the DivX movies flying around the web weren't compatible off the bat, you need to convert them (not difficult).

Posted by: sanderton

quote:
Originally posted by iankb
I'm waiting for Sanderton to comment on the accuracy of this story, since I believe that it comes from his journalistic colleagues. :D

Sorry guys, spoke to the Ed of T3 and this is the US Tosh TiVo; Tosh will be launching a non-TiVo DVD/HDR in the UK at some point. T3 don't know aof anyone planning a UK TiVo yet.

Posted by: maubp

quote:
Originally posted by sanderton
Sorry guys, spoke to the Ed of T3 and this is the US Tosh TiVo; Tosh will be launching a non-TiVo DVD/HDR in the UK at some point. T3 don't know aof anyone planning a UK TiVo yet.

:(
Thanks for checking up on it.

Posted by: GarySargent

I think I need to cancel my subscription to T3.

Posted by: iankb

quote:
Originally posted by GarySargent
I think I need to cancel my subscription to T3.

But then you'd never to have anything to look forward to when you win the lottery, or move to Japan. :)

Thanks Sanderton. Thought it was too good to be true. :(

Ian.

Posted by: pr1uk

i used to like T3

Posted by: Automan

It looks like a DVD player to me with a label stuck on the middle with the TiVo emblem on it....

Is it a mock up of what the UK might have some time in the distant future?

Automan.

Posted by: GarySargent

Whats the number "2" symbol on the far left - is that region 2?...

Posted by: gleffler

No, that's actually the TiVo Series 2 logo.

Not to get your hopes up or anything.

/gleffler

Posted by: Andy C

I guess if we all emailed Toshiba expressing an interest for a UK launch, it wouldn't hurt.

Posted by: pr1uk

quote:
Originally posted by Stimps
I guess if we all emailed Toshiba expressing an interest for a UK launch, it wouldn't hurt.

you never know do you may be worth a go, and could do no harm.

Posted by: FJSRiDER

quote:
Originally posted by pr1uk
you never know do you may be worth a go, and could do no harm.

'Contact us' link on Toshiba site here

HTH :D

Posted by: guydewdney

email sent. :D

Posted by: davidshack

quote:
Originally posted by Stimps
I guess if we all emailed Toshiba expressing an interest for a UK launch, it wouldn't hurt.

EXCELLENT idea!

Come on guys, 35,000* emails WOULD make Toshiba sit up and take notice.

Manufacturers' perception at the moment (based on Thomson's performance) must be that TiVo bombed in the UK. Let's prove this perception wrong.

"Word of mouth recommendation" sold most of the UK TiVos: it can motivate and reassure potential manufacturers too. God knows, someone needs to.

David

* or even a few hundred?

Posted by: Steerpike

E-mail sent here too.

Maybe there should be an official campaign thread here or online petition or something. What does everyone think?

Posted by: mtg101

An oficial campaign thread sounds like a good idea to me. It would get ppl's attention on here, and we could suggest a few things to include in the letters - like mentioning how many people you know who are looking or a tivo, or if you yourself are looking for one.

We're not going to et 35,000 emails, but I'm sure we could make enough noise to be heard.

And if Toshiba won't listen, we can suggest it to Sony...

Posted by: jamesbeeston

Contact Us form filled in and sent.

Posted by: programx

Me 2 for the email!

Posted by: Milhouse

quote:
Originally posted by SpankySpanky
It specifically states UK....

SS

Disappointed as I am about this product not being released in the UK, I didn't read the T3 spiel as saying it was definately going to be launched in the UK, only that it was good news for UK owners that another manufacturer was getting in on the act.

Knowing how (un)reliable T3 generally is, it wasn't a surprise to discover the Toshiba is going to be released in the US. I hope the Editor was duly apologetic, Sanderton! :)

Nice to see that the TiVo Series II specification is potentially getting a minor update with USB 2 rather than USB 1, although 10/100 Ethernet would be even better! :D

PS: Anyone else think this Toshiba is butt ugly looking? I'd have to think twice about putting this under my TV... even the Series 1 is more aesthetically pleasing! ;) And what's with that 1980's flourescent clock!!! :D

Posted by: FJSRiDER

quote:
Originally posted by Milhouse
Disappointed as I am about this product not being released in the UK, I didn't read the T3 spiel as saying it was definately going to be launched in the UK, only that it was good news for UK owners that another manufacturer was getting in on the act.

Really? "Good news for TiVo lovers upset that the supply of boxes has dried up in the UK - Toshiba is getting in on the act." Kinda reads like they are getting in on the act in the UK since the supply has 'dried' up does it not?

quote:
PS: Anyone else think this Toshiba is butt ugly looking? I'd have to think twice about putting this under my TV... even the Series 1 is more aesthetically pleasing! ;) And what's with that 1980's flourescent clock!!! :D

Actually no - I think it is rather more attractive than the huge monolithic silver fascia currently... :)

Still I think it is worth writing to Toshiba - if nothing other than to encourage the development of the system - because if it does not progress without a growth in subscriptions the TiVo system will eventually falter and disappear for TiVo lovers in the UK.... :(

Posted by: Milhouse

quote:
Originally posted by FJSRiDER
Really? "Good news for TiVo lovers upset that the supply of boxes has dried up in the UK - Toshiba is getting in on the act." Kinda reads like they are getting in on the act in the UK since the supply has 'dried' up does it not?

I think it's ambiguous to say the least! :) The way I read it was that another manufacturer is/will be making TiVo boxes, thus increasing the chances of supply to the UK, but it doesn't actually say that Toshiba will be supplying the UK... anyway, moot point 'cos they're not! :(

Posted by: FJSRiDER

quote:
Originally posted by Milhouse
... anyway, moot point 'cos they're not! :(

.......may not. :)

Why assume one message on this BBS is more accurate than the next - how do you know Toshibas long term plan?

Posted by: pr1uk

quote:
Originally posted by FJSRiDER
I think it is rather more attractive than the huge monolithic silver fascia currently... :)

i think the front of the TiVo is a work of art and wish all my equipment was as neat. when was the last time you had to bend over and push or turn something on the front of your kit apart from putting a DVD in i use the remote and never touch the unwanted buttons and knobs on things. no TiVo made a great designed product if only the others would follow.

Posted by: Milhouse

quote:
Originally posted by FJSRiDER
.......may not. :)

Why assume one message on this BBS is more accurate than the next - how do you know Toshibas long term plan?

Good grief, let's not get into one of those "long term future strategies" debates!!! :)

OK, they may not be supplying to the UK. Let's hope those emails do the trick!

Posted by: FJSRiDER

quote:
Originally posted by Milhouse
Good grief, let's not get into one of those "long term future strategies" debates!!! :)

You started it! :D

quote:
OK, they may not be supplying to the UK. Let's hope those emails do the trick!

Indeed. :)

Posted by: Milhouse

quote:
Originally posted by pr1uk
i think the front of the TiVo is a work of art and wish all my equipment was as neat. when was the last time you had to bend over and push or turn something on the front of your kit apart from putting a DVD in i use the remote and never touch the unwanted buttons and knobs on things. no TiVo made a great designed product if only the others would follow.

Steve Jobs would be proud of the TiVo S1 design!

I think it's a little over-large and possibly a little industrial but other than that, it's minimalist design is exactly what is required of it. Apart from the occasional use of the "eject" button I never use the knobs/buttons on my Sony DVD player - there's very little point in them being there!

It's not so much the profusion of buttons I object to on the Toshiba, it's the colour scheme - silver, black and is that brown where the silver/black colours merge? It's sooo last decade... :D

Posted by: Milhouse

quote:
Originally posted by FJSRiDER
You started it! :D

My Dad is bigger than your Dad.

;)

Posted by: 1st thing

i know someone has mentioned the styling b4, but that box is DAMN UGLY...it wouldn't look out of place on the dashboard of a 1970's Trans Am....i'm suprised it hasn't got a firebird logo on it somewhere or some fake station wagon wood veneer...bet the designer has got a ford mk2 granada, two tone with a nice tan interior and brown smoked glass

please dont campaign for that

technically its agreable, but i bet you the 1st mod done to this will be getting it to fit inside the old tivo box...i'd sacrifice the dvd for that:rolleyes:....

Posted by: iankb

quote:
Originally posted by pr1uk
i think the front of the TiVo is a work of art and wish all my equipment was as neat.

You may like the design, but it was a marketing disaster. It has absolutely nothing to attract potential customers to it, or indicate what it does, and that one point probably explains why most retailers hid it away in the least profitable corners of their displays.

If it had a two-line display of current channel name, and current program name, it wouldn't have increased the functionality at all, but it would have at least indicated to potential customers that there was some built-in intelligence, and it was something to do with television. :rolleyes:

Ian.

Posted by: Milhouse

I thought TiVo had a disaster for a Marketing department! :)

I don't think you can entirely blame the design of the Series 1 for it's lack of success - after all, it's done quite well in the US. True, some (a lot) of people like plenty of buttons, dials and whizzy graphics on their midi hi-fi's etc, but given the right marketing this shouldn't have been a problem for TiVo (the product, obviously marketing was a problem for the company).

:)

Posted by: Tennant

quote:
Originally posted by iankb
If it had a two-line display of current channel name, and current program name, it wouldn't have increased the functionality at all, but it would have at least indicated to potential customers that there was some built-in intelligence, and it was something to do with television.

Bloody good point!

Tennant

Posted by: iankb

I think that everybody can blame TiVo for poor marketing on their part, but I also think that the high street retailers play a large part on selling a product. Companies such as Dixons needed to be enthused into selling the product and, frankly, I can see why their salesmen never got excited by trying to sell a plain unmarked box.

Ian.

Posted by: Fred1

Some pointers for any potential newcomers in this thread.

Does Tivo have a UK marketing dept? I've never seen any evidence of one.

I bought my Tivo on personal reccomendation and I'm sure most others did too. Actually now I come to think of it I toured Tottenham court road asking in shops for a Tivo and most didnt even know what it was!

I've sent my email to Tosh asking where my friends can get one of there nice new Tivos in the summer

Posted by: Andy C

I don't know anyone else personally who has heard of TiVo. As I said in a previous thread, I could have sold 5 since having mine, and it only arrived on Wednesday!

As for the design of the Thomson box, well I'm not that keen tbh - it's just too big and looks quite out of place in the cabinet with my other, more compact items. The Toshiba shown in this thread in an improvment imo - Yes, it has buttons you'll probably never use, but it's certainly a slimmer design which is good.

Of course the systems features more than make up the outside looks, but the first thing people see on a store shelve is the hardware which looks ugly next to the other AV kit. John Lewis in Bluewater did have a demo video running on a TiVo stand for a little while, but for some reason known only to themselves, it was the opposite of the electronics dept. to the rst of the AV goods!

Andy.

Posted by: sanderton

quote:
Originally posted by Milhouse
I think it's ambiguous to say the least! :) The way I read it was that another manufacturer is/will be making TiVo boxes, thus increasing the chances of supply to the UK, but it doesn't actually say that Toshiba will be supplying the UK... anyway, moot point 'cos they're not! :(

In some defence of T3, while I don't know what happened in this particular case, I have done the CES run before and it's a nightmare.

You arrive (Economy, chnaging planes twice) in Vegas the evening before the show. You then have three days to go round the event - and we are not talking Earls Court here, this show is HUGE - go to press conferences, intreview PRs, take pictures write 16 pages worth of copy and get the whole lot shipped back to England for processing to a print deadline a day or two after the show closes.

Just physically getting it done is virtually impossible. Fact checking when you are typing up a heap of press releases at 3am in your scabby hotel room is definitely impossible.

T3 have tried sending reporters, sending the entire mag team to produce the mag from Vegas and even leaving the report to the next month (so every "Exclusine" isn't). Any way up, it's hard work!

I'm sure what they meant to say was that it was potentially good that new TiVo manufacturers were coming on board, but in the writing or subbing it got a bit more positive than that.

Posted by: Tilezzzzz

I personaly think thay had some space that needed filling and decided to put a piece on Tivo there.

I rekon that they knew as well as we do that Tivo prob dont have any manufacturer as yet to produce Tivo's in the UK which is why the wording was prety carefull.

Chris

PS. I rekon the toshiba one is butt ugly :)

Posted by: SpankySpanky

quote:
Originally posted by pr1uk
i think the front of the TiVo is a work of art and wish all my equipment was as neat. when was the last time you had to bend over and push or turn something on the front of your kit apart from putting a DVD in i use the remote and never touch the unwanted buttons and knobs on things. no TiVo made a great designed product if only the others would follow.

I agree 110%! What is it with these people who want knobs on everything? I really don't think I ought to speculate, TBH...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

SS

Posted by: Milhouse

Not with your handle... :D

Posted by: TiVoPony

Hi Everyone,

Just to start, I can't speak for Toshiba's long term plans. That's up to them.

But to my knowledge, they have not announced any products for the UK.

The product you're seeing in T3 is indeed their combo DVD player/TiVo recorder for the US market. They've said it will be out this fall.

It looks much better in person, and got rave reviews from those who saw it. I think that picture has some very odd lighting and shadow...

Cheers,
Pony

[added info about design]

Posted by: Milhouse

Naturally you can't speak for Toshiba, but how about speaking to Toshiba and seeing if they'll be your manufacturer over here in the UK? Looks aside, that thing will sell like hot cakes once it's promoted properly on the High St. :)

Quite a few manufacturers seem to be gearing up to serve the PVR (dumb hard disk recorder) market over here, so just when the market is hotting up and likely to gain a lot of publicity TiVo are nowhere to be seen. Please don't leave it until Christmas 2003 to have something available.

Posted by: johala_reewi

quote:
Originally posted by radish
Well that's one I won't buy - like I need another DVD player. Sheesh, when will manufacturers learn, I want a Tivo in one box, a DVD in another, an amp in another etc etc. :(

Or look at it another way.
It's a Toshiba DVD player with a built in TiVo PVR.

I'd be interested to get one for the bedroom. It could do with a DVD player and tivo all in one box. Oh and bung in a DTT tuner as well. :D

Posted by: mtg101

OK... after writing to Tosh about them doing a new UK TiVo - here's the response:

Dear Mr B,

Thank you for your recent enquiry. Please find the information that you
requested as follows:

Toshiba's HDD / DVD RAM Recorder is due for launch in April later this
year. With a HDD (Hard Disc Drive) Recorder you can record and store
lengthy programmes without having to reduce the picture and audio quality,
then copy quickly and easily between the HDD and DVD-RAM discs so you can
archive your favourites, and DVD-R discs so you can even lend DVD
recordings to friends to play back on their DVD video players. We do not
have specification of the model yet, but should have later in the year.

TiVo is the American model, Toshiba UK will be bringing out their own which
is the RD-X2.

If you have any further queries or would like to go through your query with
an advisor you can contact us on 0115 9766958,
Monday - Friday 8.00-20.00, Saturday 8.00-18.00 and Sunday 10.00-16.00, or
feel free to reply by E-mail.

We trust that the information is to your satisfaction. If you have any
further queries, please do not hesitate to contact us on the above number.

Kind regards,
Simon Knowles
Toshiba Consumer Products Division Helpdesk

So... what do you make of that? Is Tosh releasing basically the same hardware in the UK and US - but only the US will have TiVo support? That, to me, would indicate bad news for the TiVo UK service...

Posted by: sanderton

I think the Tosh guy was getting mixed up. This is the already-available RD-X2, which is nowt to do with TiVo:

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/design/pr/award/gmark/_index_2002/hdd_dvd.jpg

Big difference (besides TiVo software) is that this beast is a DVD recorder

Posted by: Daf_Loz

TiVo is the American model, Toshiba UK will be bringing out their own which is the RD-X2.

That sounds to me like Simon Knowles doesn't realise that TiVo exists or is(was) available in the UK. He seems to think that TiVo is the American version of the Toshiba and not an independant, separately licensable piece of software.

Posted by: SpankySpanky

which is all very very depressing, TBH...

SS

Posted by: pvr_uk

quote:
Originally posted by sanderton
This is the already-available RD-X2, which is nowt to do with TiVo:

I had thought this was not yet available - do you know somewhere they are selling now?

Thanks,

Posted by: sanderton

USA :)

Posted by: johala_reewi

I asked Tosh about the Tivo/DVD featured in T3 magazine. They said....

Thank you for your recent enquiry. Please find the information that you
requested as follows:

Toshiba's HDD / DVD RAM Recorder - RD-X2 - is due for launch in April 2003.
With a HDD (Hard Disc Drive) Recorder you can record and store lengthy
programmes without having to reduce the picture and audio quality, then
copy quickly and easily between the HDD and DVD-RAM discs so you can
archive your favourites, and DVD-R discs so you can even lend DVD
recordings to friends to play back on their DVD video players. We do not
have specification of the model yet, but should have nearer to the release
date.

Kevin Gannon
Toshiba Consumer Products Division Helpdesk

Seems like this is a standard response probably suggested by some internal help desk software

Don't think he's heard of Tivo either :(

Posted by: mrtickle

The only way to combat this sort of thing is with a water-tight question, so that they only way you'll get responses like the above is if they deliberately ignore it...

Posted by: dmchapman

I've had both of these replies now. From different people ut the same replies :-)

The second was a response to my reply to the first email in which I spelled out that I was interested in TiVo products only - I even sent them a link to the press release on their own (US) website. Oh well, as expected it doesn't seem that they have any plans to release a TiVo in the UK.

I didn't really expect anything else but still...

Darren

Posted by: rog2054

My experience with sending emails to companies nine times out of ten i get a reply to a different question to the one i asked.

Has anyone phoned Toshiba on the number they give in their 'standard reply' - it says if you have more queries then call...

Like most people i'm at work tomorrow, but will try and call them at lunchtime.

Posted by: johala_reewi

Just got my second reply from Tosh after asking specifically about the Tivo/DVD player in the T3 magazine and not the RD-X2...

The RD-X2 is not on the UK website yet but there is a news article about it
on the US website -
http://www.toshiba.com/tacp/dvd/current/RDX2.html

aaaaaagh.