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Smallville "Suspect" SPOILERS!!!
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Posted by: Bryanmc

So, what did ya think?

I thought for sure the cops would find the disc in the flour.

Posted by: whitson77

Thanks for asking. I thought it was pretty good. Lionel is pretty amazing. Takes a shot right under the heart, falls a story onto a glass table, and pulls out of the coma in a day. He'll be walking around in no time.

Posted by: Chandler Mike

Or the ship in the barn/basement, whatever.

Kind of an uneventful episode, used his powers very little...you'd think after Clark was shot at in the car, he would have ran down that truck to see who shot him. Instead, it just disappeared and he didn't try to pursue it.

I guess Lex losing his company to Lionel was a big deal...

Not a bad episode, had me guessing of course, but just super eventful.

Mike

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

I guess he's not faster than a speeding truck yet... :D

Posted by: JimSpence

I enjoyed that episode even with the pixelation and some drop outs. Before you all jump in and say you didn't have a problem, let me tell you that I don't get locals via DTV and have to use the lifeline TWC for WB. :(

Anyway, Ethan being the shooter was totally off the radar for me.

Posted by: vertigo235

Yeah I thought it was going to be the obvious suspect, Lionels Lawyer (whatever his name was). I bet the actor that plays Ethan wasn't happy to see that script heh :)

Posted by: keirgrey

quote:
Originally posted by Chandler Mike
Kind of an uneventful episode, used his powers very little...you'd think after Clark was shot at in the car, he would have ran down that truck to see who shot him. Instead, it just disappeared and he didn't try to pursue it

I think he was worried about Pete. During the next scene he was being checked out by a doctor.

Posted by: FourDoor

quote:
Originally posted by greykey
I think he was worried about Pete. During the next scene he was being checked out by a doctor.

Yes, poor Pete definitely did not need another concussion.

Did anyone else notice the dark shadowing they did on Lex at the end with the whole evil talk he had with Clark? I wonder what the writers have in store for really breaking up Clark and Lex's friendship... I for sure thought it was going to be this episode if Lionel died.

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by FourDoor
I wonder what the writers have in store for really breaking up Clark and Lex's friendship...

We're in uncharted waters here. We've never really seen this Clark/young business Lex dynamic before. There's no comic history to really pull from here. There's nothing to say that their friendship will ever be "broken up." The only definite that we know is that Superman and Lex are enemies.

Now, of course Clark will know everything that Superman knows so he won't approve of Lex and his life in the future, but Lex may still consider Clark as some kind of friend.

On the other hand, they could very well part ways in a very defined manner. We just don't know. And we may never see in the Smallville story. We don't know how much of the relationship we're going to get to see, 2 more years? 3? 4? Who knows.

Personally I'd love the last shot of the last show (whenever that will be) to be of Superman in the uniform. I think that'd be a nice cap.

Posted by: vertigo235

Well, I don't understand how they could ever really become true enemies like they are in classic Superman. I mean Lex would have to be realllllly stupid to not recognize Clark as Superman. He doesn't even have the glasses now.

I guess the alternative is to have Superman wear the glasses :)

Posted by: Rob Helmerichs

Wasn't the evil British lawyer Sean Connery's son?

Posted by: Fleegle

quote:
Originally posted by vertigo235
Well, I don't understand how they could ever really become true enemies like they are in classic Superman. I mean Lex would have to be realllllly stupid to not recognize Clark as Superman. He doesn't even have the glasses now.

I guess the alternative is to have Superman wear the glasses :)

People's faces can change quite a bit from the time stay're in high school and the time they're out of college. Nopt surprising that he wouldn't make the connection.

Posted by: hckylvr88

I liked the episode, but I was wondering how the cops didn't find the disk or the ship. It crossed my mind that perhaps Lex actually had the Kent's home searched in the hopes of finding other things. There was even a thought that it was the crazy scientist doing all of this. I was surprised that it was the Sheriff who did all of this.

I still wish that these little storylines would last a little longer. Things keep cleaning themselves up too neatly.

Posted by: TeddS

This episode reminded me a lot of Rashomon. I'll bet it was somewhat intentional of the writers to lift the story structure a bit (not the themes/content - that dealt with a rape/murder).

Not a bad episode, usually can't go too wrong to pay homage to Kurosawa.

--Tedd

Posted by: ClutchBrake

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Wasn't the evil British lawyer Sean Connery's son?

Yes.

Posted by: Bill Reeves

I was also reminded of Rashomon by this episode.

"The sheriff did it" took me by surprise, but weren't there some hints in past episodes that the sheriff was not the friendliest guy in the world towards the Kents? I vaguely recall that he was less than helpful when the bad doctor came to take the psychic kid away. He claimed the "just doing my job" line, but he really had to be lacking in compassion to take the psychic kid away from the Kents -- or have something against the Kents.

Reflecting after the episode -- does the sheriff's plan hold up? He shot Lionel, and then went to a whole lot of trouble to frame Mr Kent. He ended up killing his friend the bartender to stop him from talking. There were so many things that could have gone wrong with the plan -- why not just shoot Lionel and make it look like a routine break-in? He is the sheriff, after all, and he would have been in charge of investigating the crime, so he can mislead or whatever.

Posted by: vertigo235

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Reeves
why not just shoot Lionel and make it look like a routine break-in? He is the sheriff, after all, and he would have been in charge of investigating the crime, so he can mislead or whatever.

Yeah, but this assumes that LEx wouldn't hire an investigating team etc to find out what happened.

Posted by: KLB

I thought this was a good episode because it didn't feature a 'freak o' the week' and was more about the characters. (not that it was a great episode)

Then need to avoid having to fall back on Clark discovering a new power or some kryptonite powered freak showing up to do stories or by the end of the second season they are going to be bringing in guest stars like Drew Carey and Mimi to fill in for not having a real story to tell. (that's a Lois and Clark reference from long after they Jumped The Shark)

As to Lex's future hatred of Clark and society. At some point Lex will lose his struggle to be the man he wants to be, a struggle that is in no small part inspired by his admiration for Clark and his family. Lex will be crushed and destroyed by some act that is 'the right thing to do' that will go wrong.

Lex Luthor will shatter and all that will be left is the knowledge that his father was right and everything "good" is to be destroyed or bought or brought under you thumb. Lex will hate what is "good" and there will be no greater representation of 'good' or what it was that destroyed Lex's dream for himself then Clark Kent aka Superman

Lex Luthor will be driven to destroy him and everything he does will only be done to further him in that task. Obsession doesn't even begin to describe it-------

Posted by: jlb

I have to agree strongly that the series has been awesome the last few weeks with strong story lines that do not resort to freak/week lines or new powers discovered.

Please, WB, keep up the good writing.

Posted by: brahamt

quote:
Originally posted by Medieval Guy
Wasn't the evil British lawyer Sean Connery's son?

Yes, and he's been on before. Jason Connery is his name.

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Connery,+Jason

Posted by: rbird

Nobody has mentioned yet that now Lana knows there was something very fishy going on with Clark's adoption. I suspect she'll become even more curious about Clark than she already is.

Bob

Posted by: TonyD79

I had the pixelation and dropouts, too. Never know (unless watching live) if it is DTV, my TiVo or source.

Guess it was source this time.

Posted by: bobcarn

I really liked the episode. Especially the absence of the "freak of the week". They're resorting to good storytelling without a lot of tired old cliches.

I am surprised that they didn't find the ship. I always thought the Kents should find a better place to hide that thing. Of course, we never actually saw the outside of the root cellar, we only see it from the inside. Maybe the outside is camoflaged a little and people just don't even know it's there.

Next week's eppy looks pretty good. "BAD CLARK IS BACK!" LOL.

Posted by: Philosofy

BryanMC: You're the Superman expert. I heard one of the comic writers came up with a plausible explanation why no one recognizes Clark as Supes. Do you remember it?

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
BryanMC: You're the Superman expert. I heard one of the comic writers came up with a plausible explanation why no one recognizes Clark as Supes. Do you remember it?

Because Clark wears glasses and Supes wears tight red underpants. :D

I don't know. I remember there being some kind of "explanation" like the "aura" explanation about why his costume never gets damaged and how he can fly.

Doesn't matter to me. He can fly 'cause he's Superman, his costume doesn't get damaged 'cause we don't need to see him naked every time he's in an explosion, and he looks totally different without glasses. That's Superman.

This was one of the greatest things about Reeve's portrayal. He could look different as Clark and as Supes (except for that nose of his.) :D

Posted by: Graymalkin

The creators' explanation of Superman's costume was that it was made from red and blue blankets in his spaceship. Martha was able to sew the uniform together by using thread unraveled from the blankets and a needle made from some part of the ship. Clark would snip the thread off with his heat vision. Clark's glasses also were made from materials in the spaceship, which is why he can use heat vision as Clark without melting the glasses.

That was Siegel and Shuster's explanation, anyway.

They are going to have a very hard time explaining how Clark can be Superman and keep his identity as Clark Kent of Smallville. So many clues about his powers have been dropped that Lex would have to be a gibbering moron not to put 2 and 2 together. And if Lex somehow develops permanent amnesia so that he doesn't remember Clark, well, that just tosses all of the emotional resonance from their friendship out the window, doesn't it?

Posted by: JYoung

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
BryanMC: You're the Superman expert. I heard one of the comic writers came up with a plausible explanation why no one recognizes Clark as Supes. Do you remember it?

Phil,
we touched on that a bit last year here (strangely enough in a Spider-Man thread)

In the post Crisis/John Byrne reboot, it's been explained that Superman has never mentioned having another identity so people tend to think he's always Superman, especially since he doesn't wear a mask like Batman does. So people don't tend to think that Clark Kent and Superman might be the same person and don't notice that Clark Kent is just Superman wearing glasses and combing his hair differently.
That and the fact that John Byrne was quoted as saying "people don't notice it because I said so..."

Posted by: TonyD79

Actually, I never bought the new explanations. The existance of Superboy makes it much more plausible that Clarkcould have a secret identity. Need to beat up a kryptonite freak, put on the suite; need to save your mom from corporate terrorists, put on the suit.

Not that I would change the show. It is charming, just that it will take some leap of faith to accept the secret identify when he is an adult.

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by TonyD79
It is charming, just that it will take some leap of faith to accept the secret identify when he is an adult.

Similar to the leap of faith to accept that he's:

- From another planet
- Can fly
- Is super strong
- Can shoot lasers from his eyes
- Is (almost) invulnerable
- Super breath
- Super hearing
- Super fast
- Saran-wrap "S"
- etc.

;)

Posted by: David Platt

quote:
Originally posted by Philosofy
I heard one of the comic writers came up with a plausible explanation why no one recognizes Clark as Supes. Do you remember it?

I seem to remember a story from a looooong time ago that said the reason that nobody recognized Clark as Supes is because he was subconciously using 'super-hypnosis' to convince people he looked slightly different when he was Clark. Supes finally realized this when he saw a picture someone had drawn of Clark, and it looked a little bit different from the 'real-life' Clark (slightly receding hairline, a little bit thinner, etc.)

Do you remember this one, Bryan?

Posted by: KLB

The creators of Smallville have said from day one, you will never see the costume in their show.

If you really think about -- At the rate he is going, by the end of season 3 Clark will have saved the life of every citizen of Smallville, Kansas twice over. Hmmm... tough to hide that. LOL!!!

I have no idea why people don't recognize the two as the same person but what always p*ssed me off was the idea that it's Superman disguised as Clark Kent... when it is 100% the exact opposite.

He was raised Clark Kent, grew up Clark Kent and put on the costume to protect his family and friends and so that he could be come more then just a "man" but would be come a symbol of what he was trying to accomplish.

Sure he's Kal El and all that stuff but he was raised Clark Kent and that is who he is at his base.

Posted by: Ereth

quote:
Originally posted by DPlatt
I seem to remember a story from a looooong time ago that said the reason that nobody recognized Clark as Supes is because he was subconciously using 'super-hypnosis' to convince people he looked slightly different when he was Clark. Supes finally realized this when he saw a picture someone had drawn of Clark, and it looked a little bit different from the 'real-life' Clark (slightly receding hairline, a little bit thinner, etc.)

Do you remember this one, Bryan?

Ah, the infamous "Super-Hypnotist of Metropolis" storyline, penned by none other than lettercol hack extroardinaire, Guy H Lillian III. Almost universally hated as the stupidest Superman comic of all time, vigorously defended by Cat Yronwode.

The premise is that Clark is so nervous about people recognizing him that he's constantly putting out little hypnosis waves from his eyes to convince people he's meek and small. These waves are too small to have any effect, but are magnified by his glasses (made from Kryptonian glass, remember) and so this is why nobody every thinks he looks like Superman when he has them on, but still explains all those "You know, without his glasses he kinda looks like...nah!" bits throughout the Superman mythos.

Posted by: jlb

As said before in this thread, a fitting end to the series, whenever that is, is Clark saving one last person, seeing Martha sew the suit, then seeing it on Clark as it fades to black, with hints of the movie theme (assuming they can get the rights) playing it off into the sunset.........

Posted by: Bryanmc

quote:
Originally posted by KLB
...but what always p*ssed me off was the idea that it's Superman disguised as Clark Kent... when it is 100% the exact opposite.

If there's one thing Lois and Clark did well it was showing this aspect. He was Clark Kent, that was his identity. He'd only be Superman as an outlet to save/help people.

quote:
Originally posted by KLB
The creators of Smallville have said from day one, you will never see the costume in their show.

And as far as I remember, the creators said on day one that we wouldn't see the costume. I haven't heard much since. They can change their minds.

In fact, another famous line by the creators was, "no tights, no flights." Meaning that he wouldn't fly without the uniform, and they weren't planing on having the uniform. Well, it looks like they've thrown a few bones out there about flying, so things can change.

Nothing is for certain, no matter what they've said in an interview.

And yes, I do know about the "hypnosis" crap. But, as Ereth explained much better (and in incredible detail!) than I could, it's more of a joke in the Supes community. I had actually forgotten about it until you mentioned it. Time to push that one back into my brain again.

Posted by: WinBear

In the "Who's Who in the DC Universe" mini-series, they listed separate heights for Clark and Superman. Clark slumped and was listed as 5'11" and Supes stood tall and proud at 6'1". Posture and command presence can really make a difference, although the days of Clark as newscaster kind of stretch the credibility of this line of thinking since Clark would have to be "On" when he's on-screen.

Posted by: sschwart

I just think WB needs to be shot for their teasers. "Lex goes over to the dark side!!" ==> Lex throws a small temper tantrum.

I'm afraid "Clark goes bad" means that Clark will say something a mean thing about someone... And then immediately apologize.

-Steve

Posted by: HoosierFan

I assume by "Clark goes bad" they mean that he is affected by the Red Kryptonite again, and he does get pretty bad when that happens

Posted by: scooterboy

quote:
Originally posted by KLB
Sure he's Kal El and all that stuff but he was raised Clark Kent and that is who he is at his base.

"Clark is who I am - Superman is what I do."

Didn't he say that in one of the movies? Or was it on "Lois and Clark"?