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No, not Janet. Why did Dr. Frasier have to be the one to die?

Amusing note, the description on Daniel's tape shows that the mission was to P3X 666.

Anyway, other thoughts about the episode?

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Althought I basically liked the episode, one thing that I HATED was the VERY cheap stunt of pretending it was going to be O'Neill. That was beneath them...Frazer's death would have had enough impact on its own without the cheap theatrics.

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Frazer's death would have had enough impact on its own without the cheap theatrics.

Especially if you happened to know it was Janet that died from the very beginning. That made the endless misdirection seem even cheaper.

And how obvious was it that they made a big deal about their new ceramic armor inserts right before we see O'Neill get hit right where they slide in.

Grrrr.... I'm gonna miss her...

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Yeah - I didn't care for this conclusion of the two-parter. I thought it was kind of insulting to Teryll Rothery that after 6+ years they couldn't give her just a bit more to do for her own freakin' death episode!

To me, the impact of it all was minimized by by focusing so heavily on the documentarian, and not on the core group of characters. O'Neill was unconscious, Tealc was MIA while he looked up the names of all of the doc's patients, and only Carter really got to show some emotion over it. Sure, Daniel crouched in the corner to show his loss, but I wanted more. Uugh.

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Man, I did not see that one coming. Although, I guess I would have if I'd been paying closer attention.

We know that RDA wasn't gonna die. He's the above-the-title star, for Pete's sake. Plus, Janet never went through the gate before, IIRC. And, certainly not in a combat situation.

I really liked her character, (and the actress). She gave great bedside manner. It's a shame she won't be around any longer.

The tribute to the troops was a nice touch, I thought.

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I'd known about Janet's death since last summer, so perhaps my expectations were too high. But I thought it was a horrible way to send off someone who's been with the show since season 1.

I simply don't buy that, after how many years, they decide to send the head of the SG medical staff into a very deadly active combat situation. She might have gone off-world a couple of times (The shows been on what? Seven years? It all blends together after a while.) but they never showed the character as being involved in providing medical support during active combat zones off-world. It's bad enough Teryl Rothery hardly appeared in the episode, but don't kill her off in such a incongruous fashion.

And I, for one, am extremely disappointed they dropped the ball with Cassandra. She, first and foremost, should have been front and center during the memorial. They didn't have to get the same actress, just get someone to show they remembered the character. Excluding that, for no one to even mention her or what would happen to her with Janet's death? She'd be either 17 or 18, so losing Fraiser is going to have serious repercussions in her life.

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I was pretty bummed that Casandra only got mentioned and not shown - she should have spoken along with Carter at the memorial - geez, it's not like she doesn't know about the Stargate.

Dr. Frasier has been offworld before, generally when they're fighting some local plague or something, but I've never seen her sent to a combat zone. It seemed a little odd, but she is (was) an Air Force Captain and you gotta go where they tell you.

I haven't made the rounds of the various fan sites, does anyone know why they killed off Frasier? Actress wanted to move on, contract dispute, just the need to kill off a somewhat major character?

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One of the most spectacular battle scenes I have seen in a SG-1. A lot of CG which was incorporated nicely. And I seen every eps going back to the "better" Showtime days. This will be one of the top Remembered episodes in the 7 years of this serials.

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Originally posted by JPriller Dr. Frasier has been offworld before, generally when they're fighting some local plague or something, but I've never seen her sent to a combat zone. It seemed a little odd, but she is (was) an Air Force Captain and you gotta go where they tell you.

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True. But, you wouldn't normally send the CMO, the Bones McCoy, if you will, into a hot LZ. That's usually reserved for a corpsman, or EMT etc. The idea is to stabilize the patient, then transport back to base, Which is where Janet should have been, with all the the high tech, life-saving equipment at her disposal. In other words, in the rear with the gear.

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I haven't made the rounds of the various fan sites, does anyone know why they killed off Frasier? Actress wanted to move on, contract dispute, just the need to kill off a somewhat major character?

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Maybe she'll come back as a guest star. Perhaps as a System Lord. Or a Romulan.

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WTF

I mean ok you needed to write Janet out for some reason, but atleast give her character justice in doing it! You made us think it was O'neil for like 1/2 of the episode!

Why did they axe her? Maybe they'll pull another come back stunt?

Very sad story line. The episode was very well done, but I think that it minimized her importance to the show.

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Did anyone really believed it was O'neil ? Com-on now, we all been watching TV long enuff to now it was Not O'neil that was dead, that it was some kind of twist coming. But I did not see Frasier as the twist. I was fooled 100%

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I was spoiled about Dr. Fraiser being the one. It still made it bad, especially the way they did it. I guess they thought we would be fooled about O'Neill. We knew from the previous show that they had the blast proof vest. It was logical that Jack would be wearing one. They explained in this ep that Jack took a hit where it protected him, but Janet's didn't.

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I don't remember now if I had read Teryl was leaving the show or not, but my husband and I were guessing about who it might be.

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To me, this was perhaps the worst SG-1 ever. (I can only think of one rival for the title.) First, it felt like one ep's worth of plot stretched into a two-parter. The first part consisting mostly of all SGC personnel giving the documentarian a hard time, way beyond reason. All except Doc Frasier, of course -- and whatshisname, the guy who opens the iris. So given that, and their screen time in part 1, I knew it was one of them that was going to die; and realistically, it had to be Janet.

So then in part 2, when the documentarian complained about how boring the footage was that he'd recorded in part 1, I was thinking "Yes!". Then we get more boring stuff, a battle, then a nice speech from the documentarian -- BTW, was he somehow supposed to be unsympathetic, at least at first? Because I was 100% with him the whole way, and very annoyed at how the SGC treated him -- concluding with an unfitting death for one of my favorite characters. I mean, yeah, she died in the line of duty and all, but she was hardly even in part 2... there should've been more, and a better story.

And now there's only one prominent, regular female character left on the show. Will they bring in a replacement?

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They lost me when they started using Philips Pronto remotes as tricorders. My suspension of disbelief has limitations!

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They aren't entirely horrible, in Prometheus where Sam is locked in the storage room while goons take over the ship, she builds a transmitter using a Hewlett Packard signal generator. Okay, that's the only appropriate use of name-brand technology I can think of, but it's something.

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I second the vote for worst episode candidate.

Part 1 was so boring and directionless that I almost decided to delete part 2 before watching it to make room for other shows that might get deleted by TiVo that I actually might want to watch. The actor playing the documentary dork did not help.

I didn't really watch Part 2, although I did play it. I was surfing the net and writing a reply to an Enterprise thread on here while TiVo was playing Part 2. I'm pretty sure I didn't miss anything important. This is definitely one of those episodes you can watch in Fast Forward with captioning turned on.

So, basically, I let the episode play for continuity with future episodes.

Even if I had not accidentally opened this thread as I was watching and saw from the first line who died, it was pretty obvious when the refused to show the infirmary that O'Neal was not the one.

I thought that the Robert Picardo uberlawyer interrogations were a little out of place in the midst of everything else going on. Why the distraction, other than to help make a 1 hour episode 2 hours long. I assume we will see more of him in a future episode where they actually spend some time on the subject and do more than run in, make threats, and run out.

I watched Enterprise "Doctors Orders" followed by immediately SG-1 "Heroes Part 2". Enterprise was actually the better episode, which doesn't say much for SG-1.

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I thought that the Robert Picardo uberlawyer interrogations were a little out of place in the midst of everything else going on. Why the distraction, other than to help make a 1 hour episode 2 hours long. I assume we will see more of him in a future episode where they actually spend some time on the subject and do more than run in, make threats, and run out.

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...except this was part of an ongoing storyline with the senator and the NID trying to undermine/take over the Stargate program. This has been going on for years now...

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