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fdawg2k3 is offline Old Post 05-22-2004 04:42 AM
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TiVo2 USB Driver:

does anyone know if the newer models (230, ,240, 264, 275, etc) support USB2.0?

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Gene S is offline Old Post 05-22-2004 07:05 AM
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From my understanding those models have the 2.0 hardware, but all models are only using the 1.1 drivers.

Which brings me to a question. Why don't we have USB 2.0 drivers?

It is that hard to make them work with Tivo? Can the rest of the hardware handle the speed increase of data? Logistical problem because early Series2 don't have the newer hardware?

HMO would be much more enjoyable with the USB2.0 drivers.

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My guess would be because the "original" series 2's only had USB 1.1 hardware, so I guess they are trying to keep everyone on level ground.. I can just imagine the irate customers stuck with 1.1 while everyone else speeds ahead with 2.0.

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Just out of curiousity, what would happen if they installed the 2.0 drivers on systems with 1.1 USB ports? I'm assuming the 1.1 ports would still work as they'd use the older drivers.

If the ports don't break then how would those people ever know anything was different?

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I don't think maharg18 was saying that anything would break, just that TiVo is trying to keep everyone the same. I don't think the difference in transfer speeds would be that big a deal to most people -- unless someone owned both a 1.1 box and a 2.0 box, I don't know that they'd really be able to tell. More drivers means more potential support costs, although I'd guess they'd be very, very low for this one case.

I think it's pretty likely that we'll see USB 2.0 drivers for the ports eventually -- I just don't know that we'll see any features that rely on 2.0 bandwidth, based on prior statements from TiVo folk.

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quote:
Originally posted by maharg18
My guess would be because the "original" series 2's only had USB 1.1 hardware, so I guess they are trying to keep everyone on level ground.. I can just imagine the irate customers stuck with 1.1 while everyone else speeds ahead with 2.0.


I hope that's not why they're holding back on USB 2.0, because that would be ridiculous.

One thing we've all had to resign ourselves to in the world of consumer electronics is "instant obsolescence". You no sooner get your computer or whatever out of the box when the very same model gets speed-bumped, faster ports, more storage, and cheaper as well! It's just a fact of life.

The 17" Apple Flat-panel iMac I bought 18-months ago is physically indistinguishable from the latest models. They're even called the same thing. But the new ones have USB 2.0 (vs USB 1.1), 802.11g card support (vs 802.11b only), faster processors, and they're cheaper!

And no- I'm not irate. That's the way it is with consumer electronics. We don't WANT progress to freeze as soon as we buy something! Else, what would we save our pennies for next!

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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis Wilkinson
I think it's pretty likely that we'll see USB 2.0 drivers for the ports eventually -- I just don't know that we'll see any features that rely on 2.0 bandwidth


I disagree. I can't think of a feature more screaming for USB 2.0 than Multi-room viewing! The assumption, of course, is that it would be rolled out along with 802.11g adapter support.

Swapping out my WUSB11s for WUSB54s talking to USB 2.0 would be a HUGE speed improvement for transferring shows among Tivos.

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Is there an 802.11b adapter that supports WPA encryption? My belief is that they all support only WEP which can be broken and which requires that you run your wireless home network on WEP (do any routers support both WPA and WEP devices at the same time? Mine doesn't).

So, linked in with the USB 2.0 support is that home network security really creates a demand for them to provide an upgrade path for us to switch to 802.11g devices which would be best attached to a USB 2.0 connection.

Keep in mind that I realize that:

- There are some here who have used an ethernet to wireless bridge solution to get at an 802.11g solution, but being able to plug in an 802.11g USB device would be much easier for the average customer.

- You don't really need USB 2.0 to run an 802.11g USB device - what you really need is a driver to enable it (and provide access to the WPA configuration), but it would be silly to release support for 802.11g devices without also enabling the 2.0 speeds of the USB ports.

My point is more that there is already a demand for 802.11g support and that support makes the most sense in the context of enabling USB 2.0.

(Also, I agree with earlier posters that you can't hold everyone back because some customers have an older model - most customers wouldn't even realize that they are running at 1.1 speeds and if they do then they'll call in anyway asking why they can't network faster. Would you rather tell them "Sorry, you'll *never* be able to network faster" or "Sorry, you bought an older unit that has the slower interface - you can upgrade if you want a faster network"? Either way they will be unhappy, but at least the latter gives them something they can do to solve the problem...)

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I can't believe how long its been since I have had an update for my Tivo series 2 ?
I am completely hard wired and would like nothing more but to transfer shows from one Tivo to another at speeds or 480 ?
And I can not believe that Tivo would not come out with USB 2.0 drivers for us to take advantage of the speed.
Someone please help me!!!!
At this point I would like to even try a hack for the driver....
Mark

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i know when are they comming out with a new one?

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how long does it take to write a driver for the USB 2.0?

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At one time, a forum member said it was all done and ready to go -- but that was at least six months ago...

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I think Tivo is worried about new customers not old ones. There are a bunch of updates old customers would like to see. New customers don't know better. I am just in a bitter mood, I see all the press and "new features" that are not really new and current HMO users have begged for upgrades for over a year now. Get new customers first then worry about keeping them.

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I think Tivo is worried about new customers not old ones. There are a bunch of updates old customers would like to see. New customers don't know better. I am just in a bitter mood, I see all the press and "new features" that are not really new and current HMO users have begged for upgrades for over a year now. Get new customers first then worry about keeping them.


We love all our customers equally. We are still working on 802.11g and USB 2.0 support. It was very recent that any 802.11G USB adapters even came on the market. We should be announcing more in the coming months (including possibly a need for testers).

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quote:
Originally posted by TiVoBill
We love all our customers equally. We are still working on 802.11g and USB 2.0 support. It was very recent that any 802.11G USB adapters even came on the market. We should be announcing more in the coming months (including possibly a need for testers).


I already signed up to be a beta tester, Bill.

Not wireless, but I'm willing to test USB 2.0.

Jim

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quote:
Originally posted by TiVoBill
We love all our customers equally. We are still working on 802.11g and USB 2.0 support. It was very recent that any 802.11G USB adapters even came on the market. We should be announcing more in the coming months (including possibly a need for testers).


Bill, I updated my beta application I hope you can see I love Tivo, but I am a bit fustrated. I love seeing Tivo gain more customers and I do my part to help. I also see updates not too often and a lot of new ideas. I know its a fine line to walk. What people want and what sells services and what keeps customers around.

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As a little motivation (ok, VERY little motivation)... when you release support for USB 2.0 and 802.11g, I'll go buy another TiVo box so I can use HMO without getting frustrated. The recent decision to give away HMO (yay!!!) seems like a huge motivation to roll out the support for high speed networking.

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