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MighTiVo is offline Old Post 06-09-2004 08:39 PM
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Now we REALLY need the DTV TiVo upgraded to support HMO!!!!!!!

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quote:
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Now we REALLY need the DTV TiVo upgraded to support HMO!!!!!!!


hey, maybe this is why the DTV guy left in a huff and DirecTTV is distancing itself. They knew HMO was about to become free and screw around with DirectTV business model of not offering/dealing with such services and their content copyright holders.

its HMO or leave, so he left.

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  • TiVo series 2/HMO 40 hours unmodded - so far
  • Toshiba SD H400 for 99$
  • JavaHMO/ paid for my HMO whiner
  • AVcast to broadcast TiVo/DVD/PC throughout house and playfort
  • 5 at a time NetFlix subscription

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quote:
Originally posted by ZeoTiVo
hey, maybe this is why the DTV guy left in a huff and DirecTTV is distancing itself. They knew HMO was about to become free and screw around with DirectTV business model of not offering/dealing with such services and their content copyright holders.

its HMO or leave, so he left.

Yeah. That's it. Are you serious?

_ITV

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quote:
Originally posted by MighTiVo
But tco is inferior to MyReplay.com as it doens't let you manage recordings or see the channels you subscribe to. The only thing tco does is search through a database of all programs on all channels. Then you have to pick the right one for your recorder and hope for the best.


It only searches channels you receive. So there's no hoping involved.

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quote:
Originally posted by DrStrange
All true points, which is why I don't say Replay is outright better. However now that Replays multi-room streaming performance is improved to the point where it can stream best-quality video, streaming over 100M ethernet, which lets you jump around and change shows freely is much better than copying over USB 1.1. Replay's options for manipulating other boxes on the network are better than Tivos. Those still work when MyReplayTV takes one of it's many little vacations.

Besides Replay has always been more focused on apparent advantages than actual ones. Make it look better in the flyers and hope that customers won't get hit by the holes until it's too late to get their money back. Being able to boast "FREE NETWORKING FEATURES THAT TIVO CHARGES $150 FOR!" on your web page and store displays helps sell boxes.

Both do different things better. IMO HMOs advantages were a hard sell at 99/49 bucks against a free alternative.



I see what you're saying... and I agree.

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quote:
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It only searches channels you receive. So there's no hoping involved.


You can also have it send you an email confirmation so if there is a conflict you will know about it. If the conflict is something you can live without, just go back, schedule it again, and this time tell it to cancel recordings if needed.

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quote:
Originally posted by ZeoTiVo
hey, maybe this is why the DTV guy left in a huff and DirecTTV is distancing itself. They knew HMO was about to become free and screw around with DirectTV business model of not offering/dealing with such services and their content copyright holders.

its HMO or leave, so he left.



I think you are on track. TiVo must have been pushing HMO and Internet downloading and DTV wasn't liking it. They also know that people want it and now they started to see TiVo as a threat.

I can just picture their last meeting together ending with DTV cackling like a made scientist saying..."Ha Ha Ha... Go at it alone... and you will die... Ha Ha we will crush you like a pimple.. Ha Ha Ha..... People will never want to download movies, shows, music, photos off the Internet to be viewed on their TVs... Pay for what you watch???... Ha Ha.... Consumers are dumb they want to pay for 300 channels but only watch 10 of them.... Ha Ha Ha good luck TiVo... "

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure DirectTV sold all of their core assets (XM, Hughes, and TiVo) because of the lack of HMO. Makes perfect sense.

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quote:
Originally posted by interactiveTV
Yeah. That's it. Are you serious?

_ITV



somewhat - I doubt it was as dramatic as HMO or leave but it is just too coincidental that he leaves they day before these anouncements are made.

I wonder if there was some serious discussion on TiVos direction and how SAs and DirectTV units fit into the projected TiVo business model.

DirectTv is a large percentage of current revenues but that is by volume , not by margin and it seems that new software features that DirectTV has shown no interest in (HMO) and probably does not want to deal with (Internet download) is basically making the cheap DirectTiVo unit look not as good in comparison anymore.

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TTiVoToGo FAQ, I have never seen a company so bashed in a forum becasue its software is a little late

  • TiVo series 2/HMO 40 hours unmodded - so far
  • Toshiba SD H400 for 99$
  • JavaHMO/ paid for my HMO whiner
  • AVcast to broadcast TiVo/DVD/PC throughout house and playfort
  • 5 at a time NetFlix subscription

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Dumb question: will existing lifetime subscriber tivos suddenly get the "real, not a trial" HMO software?

My tivo is shipped out for repairs so I don't know what the menu or message center is showing.

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I'm having trouble understanding why people are having so much trouble with the Directv sale of assets. There have very ambitious plans to grow the core business...,TV and it would only seem to me to make sense that one would get the cash out of the non core things and put it into the growth plans that have been laid out....don't see any other tea leaves here!

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quote:
Originally posted by sublime
Yeah, I'm pretty sure DirectTV sold all of their core assets (XM, Hughes, and TiVo) because TiVo didn't give them HMO. Makes perfect sense.


Actually I think it was the other way around. DirecTV doesn't want to add HMO. Under the current contract, directv currently does all of the support for directivos. They also pay for each software update. This is why they can charge $5 per account not $12.95 per unit (well now $6.95 for each additional unit ).

As much as I didn't want to believe that directv would decide to sway away from tivo, and release an NDS box, it looks like that's the way things are shaping up.

FWIH Rupert didn't want to pay tivo royalties for sky+ dvr's, so he went w/ an NDS solution. Why would he do any differently with directv? It really looks like Rupert came into the company and decided it was a mess. He is cutting the dead weight and focusing on the core buisness, which is a good thing. However, I will not be suprised that if in the process tivo and directv eventually part ways.

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quote:
Originally posted by cwoody222
It only searches channels you receive. So there's no hoping involved.


That is incorrect unless they have chaned it recently.
I can't verify right now though as tco is down:

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quote:
Originally posted by MighTiVo
That is incorrect unless they have chaned it recently.
I can't verify right now though as tco is down:

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Hmmmm, I wonder if they're revamping the interface or anything.

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quote:
Originally posted by ToddD
I'm having trouble understanding why people are having so much trouble with the Directv sale of assets. There have very ambitious plans to grow the core business...,TV and it would only seem to me to make sense that one would get the cash out of the non core things and put it into the growth plans that have been laid out....don't see any other tea leaves here!


agreed the sale of the stock was to grow a warchest for soemthing DirectTV wants to do. Growing their core strength of TV is the approach Rupert would take.

I am only saying the DirectTv guy leaving TiVo board , may be because TiVo is going to put emphasis on SA features and their is nothing in that for DirectTV so he left the board. Nothing Huffy or mean spirited about it, he just had no interest in what TiVo was doing next and his time is better spent growing the TV core of his company and keeping Rupert happy.

I am sure TiVo will happily continue to make/support inexpensive DirectTiVo units as long as DirectTV will sell em. I do not forsee a more full featured DirectTiVo unit though as TiVo will want more royalty on something like that and DirectTV will not pay more. hence NDS is their ace in the hole to keep getting an inexpensive DVR unit. What cable Company has ever wanted to rent/sell/support high end electronic gear ??

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  • TiVo series 2/HMO 40 hours unmodded - so far
  • Toshiba SD H400 for 99$
  • JavaHMO/ paid for my HMO whiner
  • AVcast to broadcast TiVo/DVD/PC throughout house and playfort
  • 5 at a time NetFlix subscription

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quote:
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Hmmmm, I wonder if they're revamping the interface or anything.


My thoughts exactly...

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quote:
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[B]Actually I think it was the other way around. DirecTV doesn't want to add HMO.


Notice I made an edit (before your post even). What's so hard for you, and others, to comprehend about DirecTV selling off ALL of their non-core assets, not just TiVo? TiVo's current contract with DTV runs through 2007 as it is.

Anyway, back to your prognosticating of doom and gloom. Enjoy.

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But tco is inferior to MyReplay.com as it doens't let you manage recordings or see the channels you subscribe to. The only thing tco does is search through a database of all programs on all channels. Then you have to pick the right one for your recorder and hope for the best.


99.9% sure the other posters on this subject are correct. It only shows channels you've told it you receive through the on-screen setup. This is why every once in a while, after my home internet has been out for a while and my tivos haven't connected to the service, I've gotten the message "Unable to determine channel lineup for TiVo XXXX" or something similar.

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Notice I made an edit (before your post even). What's so hard for you, and others, to comprehend about DirecTV selling off ALL of their non-core assets, not just TiVo? TiVo's current contract with DTV runs through 2007 as it is.

Anyway, back to your prognosticating of doom and gloom. Enjoy.




I actually agree with you. However, I also find it a little bit odd that Directv had an executive resign from the tivo board, directv dumps it's stock, and then tivo makes this announcement all within 24 hours of each other.

I don't think it's a coincidence. It just looks like the visions of the two companies are going in separate direction. I completely agree that directivos will be supported for a long time to come, just look at Ultimate TV. However I don't see directv really adding any new features to their tivo offerings. Proof can be found here:

http://news.com.com/TiVo+sets+sight...ml?tag=nefd.top

quote:
TiVo said no changes are planned for the price or features offered with DirecTV TiVo boxes.


I'm not trying to doom and gloom, I'm just trying to connect the dots here.

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Notice I made an edit (before your post even). What's so hard for you, and others, to comprehend about DirecTV selling off ALL of their non-core assets, not just TiVo? TiVo's current contract with DTV runs through 2007 as it is.

Anyway, back to your prognosticating of doom and gloom. Enjoy.



no, this is not prognostications of doom and gloom. the announcements of actual products on the way for SA TiVos will finally getting TiVo moving in a direction it should have all along - sell more of its own boxes (be it them or HUMAX or whomever) and get more ot their own subscriptions.

they were smart to put these announcements out and finally get off their old business model of waiting for some other company to sell tiVo software and subscrips.

Did DirectTV say they were cutting them loose and this prompted TiVo to make the announcements or did TiVo plan these products and DirectTV wanted no part of it and thus no more interest in being on the board.

I do not know for sure but I am looking at it positively and saying with the new SA innovative features of internet download coupled with a less expensive option to use SAs - who needs DirectTV as a partner anyway
see how well they do selling some "TiVo-like" junk DVR. DirectTiVos will be around a long time whether DirectTV likes it or not.

but SAs will be TiVos way to control its own destiny

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  • TiVo series 2/HMO 40 hours unmodded - so far
  • Toshiba SD H400 for 99$
  • JavaHMO/ paid for my HMO whiner
  • AVcast to broadcast TiVo/DVD/PC throughout house and playfort
  • 5 at a time NetFlix subscription

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