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07-10-2003 03:44 PM

lgspence
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dvd-r vs dvd+r & dvd-rw vs dvd+rw

Hi folks,
I am getting a Sony DVD+R R/W drive for my PC which can use both the R ane +R media formats. Anyone out there have experience with both (for record once and re-write)? Any recommendations on media for better compatibility, etc? I am trying to decide which media to buy.

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07-10-2003 03:45 PM

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LOL, this is almost as bad as the Mac v PC war:

I tend to find that -R has the best compatibility for standalone DVD players while +RW is the better RW format...

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07-10-2003 03:50 PM

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I have a NEC +R/+RW drive.

I have exclusivly used Verbatim +R white inkjet surface printable media.

I purchased a Sony DVD/VCR combo that specificaly claimed +R/+RW support and a Sony DVD player that also claimed +R/+RW support.

I have had zero problems with any home made DVD played.

Prior to buying the two new DVD players I had two older DVD players. Both would almost play the +R DVD's. They would either have audio or video breakups. That was frustrating.

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07-10-2003 03:50 PM

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Both formats are about equally compatible. I've actually found +R/W discs to be a bit more compatible with standalone DVD players.

If you're getting the DRU-500AX, then the media you should use is Accu from Meritline. It burns at 4x with the newest firmware, is very reliable, and is very cheap.

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07-10-2003 04:08 PM

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I bought that drive last week. I have tried all 4 format and all work on my 2 year old home DVD player, and even on my GM in car DVD player. Generally the + and - R ones have worked better. The RW ones have stuttered and needed cleaning a lot more.

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07-10-2003 04:49 PM

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zaknafein's got it right: they're both pretty closely compatible, down brand types. Check the DVD players you'll be burning for for compatibility issues at DVDRHelp.com. I think you'll find that it's MOSTLY in the medium (i.e., brand of DVD-R/+R discs) you buy. Sometimes the cheaper ones work well, but more times than not, you get what you pay for.

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07-10-2003 05:16 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by zaknafein
Both formats are about equally compatible. I've actually found +R/W discs to be a bit more compatible with standalone DVD players.

I've actually found the opposite to be true. DVD-R, in my experience, is more compatible than +R or +RW. The folks over at dvdrhelp.com tend to agree with me too.

+RW has some nice features on paper, but alot of it hasn't even been implemented yet, and by the time they do, I'm pretty sure DVD-RW will have it implemented too.

One thing that I find so ironic about the format wars is which manufacturers are using which drives in their systems. HP, Sony, Philips, Pioneer are the major hardware vendors in the recordable DVD-like disc arena.

HP uses the +RW drives in its (low end) home PC's. They use the DVD-RW drives in their (higher end, formerly compaq) business PC's.

Sony uses DVD-RW drives in their PC's, and combo (DVD-R and +RW) drives in their PC's.

Philips doesn't make PC's, but they are pushing +RW really hard, and have them in their home +RW recorders. This is one of the reasons that makes me believe that the development of +RW was more of a political issue than anything.

Oh, and by the way, here are what some other vendors use:

Apple: DVD-R/RW (soon to switch to combo drives last I heard)
DELL: +R/+RW
IBM: DVD-R/RW
Gateway: DVD-R/RW or combo drives

At any rate, I'm never getting another +RW drive. As an early adopter, I was burned badly by false promises. My motto is if they can do it once, they can do it again. I'm really happy with my Pioneer DVD-RW drive, and my discs play on every single player I have ever tried (including my Panasonic, which does NOT play +R or +RW discs).

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07-10-2003 05:20 PM

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ya know, with DVD players so cheap nowadays, I don't think I'd worry much about compatibility. I'd rather get a cheap apex to compliment my primary dvd player if necessary ($40ish) and not worry about compatibility at all.

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07-10-2003 05:25 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by ybrew
ya know, with DVD players so cheap nowadays, I don't think I'd worry much about compatibility. I'd rather get a cheap apex to compliment my primary dvd player if necessary ($40ish) and not worry about compatibility at all.

Compatibility becomes a major issue when you distribute home videos on DVD.

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07-10-2003 05:28 PM

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Well, compatiblity is still an issue if you want to share DVDs you burn (like home movies). Plus, I would not want to have to replace my exisiting DVD player, and I don't have room to add a secon one.

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07-10-2003 05:37 PM

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Man, I wrote a column about DVD formats and I got a ton of people on both sides telling me I was full of crap...

I say go with the sony drive that does both + and - and burn whichever your player can read....

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07-10-2003 06:30 PM

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raj keeps talking about "false promises", but +RW does everything it has claimed to for me. I have the Sony DRU-500A drive and haven't tried -R or -RW discs yet, but +R and +RW work fine for me and play in regular DVD players I have tried.

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07-10-2003 06:59 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by zaknafein
If you're getting the DRU-500AX, then the media you should use is Accu from Meritline. It burns at 4x with the newest firmware, is very reliable, and is very cheap.

I purchased one spindle of Accu from Meritline for my DRU500 and found it to be very crappy. No coasters but lots of CRC errors on DVD-ROMs and skipping on standalone players.

Bought a spindle of Riteks after that and haven't had one problem with them yet so personally, I'm staying far far away from Accu, OptoDisc, or any of the cheap crap that's out there.

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07-10-2003 07:00 PM

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I have the Sony dual format and I also find that +R is more compatible, but just barely (at least with my home DVD players and a few friends.)

As for media, I recently purchased the deal and bestbuy.com, 100 TDK 4x spindle for $130 shipped. Amazing deal and quality media.

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07-10-2003 07:12 PM

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quote:
"Man, I wrote a column about DVD formats and I got a ton of people on both sides telling me I was full of crap..."

So what's the relevance of writting the column??

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07-10-2003 07:58 PM

lgspence
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recordable DVD formats

Wow. Great response on this...thanks for the feedback...the tally so far (the number represents recommendations):
DVD-R 3
DVD+R 4
DVD-RW 0
DVD+RW 3
I will probably want both record once (cheaper) and rewritable (when I don't want to save forever). I'll go with the highest tallys from the thread to start and see how they work. Brands recommended are Riteks, TDK and Accu? Where have you found the best prices: eBay, eCost, somewhere else?

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07-10-2003 08:07 PM

Satchel
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quote:
Originally posted by willardcpa
So what's the relevance of writting the column??

Oh, I'm sure many people think I'm full of crap on a weekly basis...I'm just glad to entertain...

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07-10-2003 08:09 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by stevel
raj keeps talking about "false promises", but +RW does everything it has claimed to for me.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about manufacturers claiming that early PC drives would have been upgradeable to the write once +R format with a simple firmware update. Never happened. Tons of excuses. Lots of runarounds from Philips, Sony, HP, Ricoh. Early adopters were furious.

They later changed their mind and tried to back out. Philips was even threatened with class action and forced to send out replacement drives which could do both +R and +RW. But they would have never done that if consumers hadn't made a fuss. Other manufacturers like HP simply said flat out that you'd have to buy a new drive. DELL and other OEM's said the same things. I told DELL where to stick it, ebayed my +RW, and I went out and bought a real DVD writer.

Now I'm happily burning DVD-R's, and I never looked back.

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07-10-2003 08:10 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by edrock200
I have the Sony dual format and I also find that +R is more compatible, but just barely (at least with my home DVD players and a few friends.)

Out of curiousity, which brands of DVD players have you tried? Which ones didn't play DVD-R, but played +R?

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07-10-2003 09:28 PM

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If you are looking to buy, check out the Optorite DD0203.

Writes +R +RW -R -RW. Also supports HD-Burn, which can put 1.5 GB on a CD! I believe the drive is a rebadged Sanyo. I've been reading a bunch of reviews, and the only negative I've seen so far is that the eject button is hard to use.

You can buy it here (PC Supply Store) for $185 shipped. Use coupon code PC050603.

They have a 9.01 Reseller Rating.

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