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Was that a good episode or what? Wasn't too happy to see Illryia get her butt kicked. Hope she's the one who takes him out. The preview said that one of the gang will be killed.

Following spoiler is for next weeks series finale episode.

Spoiler Alert! (highlight to read)

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Accordring to spoilerfix website both Gunn and Wesley be killed off but the pictures at http://www.mediasharx.com/index.php/news/1845 show Gunn but no Wes

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All leading up to the grand finale.

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Angel: "Spike!"
Spike looking confused and startled: "Look at you."
Angel: "Spike, don't."
Spike: "You're a.."
Angel: "Don't!"
Spike: "You're a wee little puppet man!!!"

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Don't want to start another "spoiler" thread, but it would be considerate to indicate that your spoiler is for a FUTURE episode, not the one that's the subject of discussion and title of the thread.

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My apologies. I thought it was understood that the spoiler was for the next episode because I was discussing the preview. I put a warning directly above the spoiler. my bad.

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pandiva, you labeled your spoiler very clearly, marked it correctly, and have nothing to apologize for. Blueshoo stated in another thread: "I tread very carefully to make sure I didn't see anything I didn't want to" and has no one to blame but himself. I read it myself, and I'm certainly not going to take it at face value.

That said, even though I guessed what Angel was up to early on, and I hate that, because I expect the writer's to outmaneuver my guesses, this was a good episode. Very dark, very noble, an insightful take on the morality of the Angel nebulae of the Buffyverse. The stage is set for what could be a great finale.

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I just want to see them kick some Black Thorne booty!

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So did it look like to anyone else that the W&H guy in the last scene could see through the illusion? Like he knew exactly what was really happening inside? It did to me.

It kind of bugs me that they're just introducing the "Black Thorn" society now, as a physical manifestation of the W&H Partners they can strike at. I know the various people in the society have been introduced in other capacities, but I'm feeling the climactic confrontation is a little rushed.

I liked the fact that Angel moved on with werewolf girl without going all Angelus.

It was really hard watching Illyria getting beat on by the W&H guy... I haven't let go of the fact that it's still Fred's body, albeit inhabited by a biatch goddess. I wonder how she'll have a part in the upcoming Battle Apocalypse Royale?

While I'm still enjoying Angel a great deal, I feel like I'm being rushed out the door buy hosts who want to go to bed early.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Peter000
While I'm still enjoying Angel a great deal, I feel like I'm being rushed out the door by hosts who want to go to bed early.

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I agree - good episode but a bit annoyed that this is the first we've heard of the Black Thorn Society. They should have been dropping innocuous hints about them for half the season. Anyone else find it VERY interesting that the new W&H liason knew the guardian of the Deeper Well and also that the liason could kick Illyria's butt so easily?

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Anyone else find it VERY interesting that the new W&H liason... could kick Illyria's butt so easily?

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pandiva,

Thanks for editing your post to indicate what the spoiler contains. No hard feelings or anything, just hadn't made the connection that it was about next week's episode before, but with the edit it's very clear.

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Originally posted by Medieval Guy
I was less enamored of Angel's relationship with Hairy. Either he knows there's no chance of true happiness with her, in which case he's leading her on (which strikes me as pretty cruel, considering the obvious depth of her feelings), or he suspects there IS a chance, in which case he's gamling with the human race's future (since his job is stopping apocalypses, and Angelus might not bother).

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Is it that wrong for Angel to sleep with Wolfy, without getting a full Happy while doing it? Can't Angel experience some partial happiness in his life? And how many people in the world can claim they have only had sex with people who've they been "totally happy" to be with?

Did Wes achieve True Happiness with Lilah? Uh, no.

Did Cordy achieve True Happiness with Gru? Uh, no.

Did Spike achieve True Happiness with Buffy? Uh, no.

But those are all examples of main charachters having "relationships", with sex as part of the deal. Why do we hold Angel to a higher standard?

Let the Man have some cake, for gosh sakes!

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I liked this episode except for one thing.
Is Drogan dead now or not?

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I think Wolfy's name is Nina. Amazingly enough, they did not have her do a partial-nudity scene in this episode.

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Is Drogan dead now or not?

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Does anyone remember in the episode where Angel and Illyria were jumping through time (she thought they were going to kill her)? In the episode Wesley was in the lab trying to find a way to help Illyria. Hamilton made some sort of suggestion to Wesely. Could Hamilton have known he was helping them make Illyria much weaker instead of just keeping her stable? Sorry I can't be more specific about the epi. Working from memory here.
Just a thought.

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Spike looking confused and startled: "Look at you."
Angel: "Spike, don't."
Spike: "You're a.."
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Originally posted by billypritchard
Did Wes achieve True Happiness with Lilah? Uh, no.

Did Cordy achieve True Happiness with Gru? Uh, no.

Did Spike achieve True Happiness with Buffy? Uh, no.

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Did Spike achieve True Happiness with Angel? "Well, there was that one time..." in Spike's own words.

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And so our Heros desend into the fire...

Good episode. The Xbox / Crash Bandicoot sequence was a total HOOT!

I was suprised that Hamilton Baldwin took down Illyria so easily. I knew she was diminished in power but I thought she was still indestructable and mega strong.

The final shot where they pull back through the window and show how it looks from the outside was fantastic. Really well done!

Yeah, the question of whether he could see through the spell or not was on my mind as well. I guess we'll know next week.


AND Joss had better take care of Spike this time around unlike how he screwed him in the Buffy finale!

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Did anyone see Joss in a cameo in this episode? When the Devil guy said something like "We had a really great turnout, all the really evil ones are here." and they panned to 3 people, I think Joss was on the right.

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It appeared Angel snapped his neck after biting him, so I'd say he's dead. Don't know what that means for the Public Storage facility he managed or how well it works with his 'immortality' gig, though.

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