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nmiller855 is offline Old Post 10-01-2002 12:17 AM
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There is a Texas Flag Pledge:
"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible."

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well, now it is pan.

No one said anything cause you were missing.

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quote:
Originally posted by justapixel
I thought about that too, only..... I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS!!

I searched and searched, really I did......



Well, apart from being a Dead Kennedys tune, it's also an attempt at being clever and bringing Godwin's Law in under the table by referencing the "Deutchland Uber Alles" slogan.

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edit: It means "California above all (others)"

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quote:
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I live in Texas, and have never heard some other pledge


Me Too. I was born and raised in Texas. Then again, I was born and raised in Plano, and the rules tend to be different there.

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quote:
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"Deutchland Uber Alles".

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edit: It means "California above all (others)"



Just to be geeky ... It's

"Deutschland Über Alles"

(note the missing "s" and Umlaut))

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quote:
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edit: It means "California above all (others)"



Thanks. I got the Dead Kennedy thing, but couldn't find a translation. I appreciate it.

It won't be my user tag, however. I like California and have lived here all my life (with a few years off for travelling), but I don't care much for the crazoids who populate the state.

That's another thread though.

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That's another thread though.



Actually, that's THIS thread.

Remember, those crazoids are the ones that came up with that stupid world pledge.

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Re: Re: Elementary School Pledges

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It's contradictoray on it's face.

You can't "cherish every living thing" and have "peace and freedom everywhere" at the same time -- at least not in today's world. There is good and evil on this planet, and the only ensure peace and freedom is to eradicate (i.e. kill) the evildoers.



Now you went and made it complicated and they were just getting the hang of peeing standing up.

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quote:
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Yeah, that whole "turn the other cheek" thing is so last-millennium. What was Jesus thinking?



If you look at that whole speech (the Sermon on the Mount) it's obvious that Jesus was talking about "turning the other cheek" when someone insults you, not when they actually attack you. Big difference.

And while we're at it, the correct translation of the 6th Commandment is "Thou shalt not murder."


For the record, I've been an atheist since I was 12-13 (so 20-21 years).

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Actually, Lillian Genser, the author of the United Nations World Pledge, is from Detroit. And this crap is being done all over the country, not just in California.

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It does seem kind of funny to me that (although I'm no expert) the message of the pledge seems to be basically Jesus' message, and yet a lot of conservative christians would object to the pledge as PC drivel (while a lot of liberals who would object to god in the classroom would not object to this message).

By the way, I got the deutschland uber alles reference, but i don't see the point. The third reich was not known for its environmental, or world peace, policies, and it seems a stretch to imply this pledge is fascist.

We now return to your previously scheduled opinions/posts.

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quote:
Originally posted by DanT
If you look at that whole speech (the Sermon on the Mount) it's obvious that Jesus was talking about "turning the other cheek" when someone insults you, not when they actually attack you. Big difference.

And while we're at it, the correct translation of the 6th Commandment is "Thou shalt not murder."



I'm not gonna argue context, though I don't agree with your interpretation of that text, but in the general context of "we should kill all the evil folks" the whole quasi-pacifist acceptance of his death for the greater good thing and the "live by the sword, perish by the sword" bit gets complicated at best. I can't off the top of my head think where Jesus actually advocated deadly force or even violence against another save metaphor (If thine eye offend, etc) or his youthful indiscretion in the temple, though. And if you get historical on the wording of the 6th, you have to accept that killing anyone who wasn't part of your tribe wasn't murder and so was pretty much OK within certain other guidelines. We don't want to promote that, now do we?

The bottom line is that this militant notion that the only way to expunge evil from the world is to kill/destroy it is not the only notion there is, and in fact would seem not to be completely in tune with some of the teachings of the guy lots of the folks who seem to be against this pledge claim to follow. Me, I take my philosophy chinese menu style (One from column A, One from column B) so I tend to not get caught up in who thought what but more in "Is this a good precept" so it's no skin off my nose if people want to believe three contradictory things before breakfast, myself included.

-MM

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