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tomo_kun is offline Old Post 06-29-2004 07:50 AM
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M-98? Legal version of M-80??

I was looking at phantom fireworks website, a chain of fireworks stores and one just recently opend by us, and they sell the M-98. What is different between this and the M-80?

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That website's constant noise kept me from browsing very long. Sure I can hit mute on my speakers, but I shouldn't have to.

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Oh, I absolutely hate that company. I'm on the Direct Marketing Association list of "do not send junk mail" and yet I still get two pieces of crap from them in the last two days. I wouldn't be half surprised if the "out of area" calls I've been getting, despite being on the do not call list, have been them as well.

I'm in a friggin' APARTMENT! Where the frell do they think I'm going to be shooting off fireworks?

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I don't know the answer to your question, but my guess would be that it is not nearly as powerful as an M-80. They make them look similar, or in some cases (as the name would suggest) more powerful, but I would be highly suspect. Caveat emptor.

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Ill still buy from them, i mean, we usually get $99 worth of crap anyway, and we get a free set with that.

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As I mentioned in another thread, federal law (read: BATF) prohibits the sale of firecrackers containing more than 0.05 grams of flash powder in them.

The M-80 of days gone by contained 1.00 grams(*).

Put those two statements together and ask yourself again whether or not the M-98 will be equivelent to an M-80....

[smart ass]Well, I suppose it would be if you could figure out how to get 20 M-98's go off all at the same instant. [/smart ass]

Seriously, the only advantage M-98's or M-60's (another "M-80 like" modern firecracker) have over something like a simple Black Cat is a slightly stronger case (thus a *slightly* louder bang) and a waterproof fuse.

If you like throwing firecrackers in swimming pools? Great! If not? You're wasting your money buying into marketing hype.


(*) edit: I'm suddenly having the feeling that I'm remembering incorrectly. I'm wondering if an M-80 had 0.80 grams of flash powder (thus where the name would have come from). Alas, it doesn't really matter to the moral of the story (M-98's being inferior), but I include my doubts for completeness.

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Ah well. I'll just stop at a stand too so i can buy some M-80's. They rock! I love blowing up buckets full of watter, upside down.

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Ah well. I'll just stop at a stand too so i can buy some M-80's. They rock! I love blowing up buckets full of watter, upside down.


You're missing my point.... If you find something called an "M-80" sold legally in the US, it ain't a real M-80 (as those are now illegal to sell to those who are not appropriately licensed).

Here's a quesiton: How old are you? Odds are that if you're under say.... 50 years old, you've never seen an M-80. Perhaps your perceptions of what "rocks" are skewed? Not your fault, if so, just an observation.

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I am under the age of 50 and I have had two real M-80's in my lifetime. They were fun, but not as much fun as I have had.

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I'm over 50 and I remember M80's. I remember how they would turn mailboxes into pumpkin shaped things if they stayed on the posts at all. I also used to love buzz bombs. It's amazing I survived my own childhood.

Hey tomo_kun, don't try flushing them down your commode to send MMSD a message. Could collapse the whole deep tunnel.

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A lil north to do that, it would take a while XD.


Edit: Yes i am connected to MMSD And i live a half hour north X_X.

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Amazing what 4 large bottle rockets, a pair of pliers, an empty shotgun shell and duct tape can do....not that I've ever tried this...I heard about it.

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Oh and the bottle rockets come with WP fuses also....

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The M-80 of days gone by contained 1.00 grams(*).

(*) edit: I'm suddenly having the feeling that I'm remembering incorrectly. I'm wondering if an M-80 had 0.80 grams of flash powder (thus where the name would have come from).



According to "What is an M-80", it contains about 3 grams of a particular pyrotechnic compound. The name M-80 is just an arbitrary designation picked out by the military.

When I was a kid, the 'common wisdom' was that an M-80 was a quarter stick of dynamite - clearly ridiculous in hindsight.

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According to "What is an M-80", it contains about 3 grams of a particular pyrotechnic compound. The name M-80 is just an arbitrary designation picked out by the military.

When I was a kid, the 'common wisdom' was that an M-80 was a quarter stick of dynamite - clearly ridiculous in hindsight.



Thanks.

Wow. This has got to be one of the first times in my life where something got smaller with age. Usually it's "the older I get the better I/it was."

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Under 50 (barely ).

We put m80's under an upside down metal garbage can in a deep puddle of water...

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When I was growing up, the folklore was that "an M-80 was equivalent to a quarter of a stick of dynamite".

(whether a stick of dynamite only comes in one size is another question entirely, I suppose)

I have these things (referred to as M-25's, I think) which are "equivalent to a half of an M-80".

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I once bought some "m-80s" in Tijuana. They looked to be hand rolled, and not at all safe. When we lit them, I can tell you that they were much larger then anything else that we had ever seen. The fact that we actually bought, "smuggled" and lit Mexican fireworks is a testament to my monumental stupidity during my teenage years.

Other stupid firework ideas included making giant flash pots from sparklers. We would buy out the sparklers after the 4th, then strip the stuff of the wires, and light 5-10 boxes worth of sparklers at one time. We would also have bottle rocket wars, lighting them and holding the sticks until they took off. It's amazing I still have all of my digits.

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You're missing my point.... If you find something called an "M-80" sold legally in the US, it ain't a real M-80 (as those are now illegal to sell to those who are not appropriately licensed).

Here's a quesiton: How old are you? Odds are that if you're under say.... 50 years old, you've never seen an M-80. Perhaps your perceptions of what "rocks" are skewed? Not your fault, if so, just an observation.




I'm 47 and I've seen them (at least I think so). Cylinder-shaped, around 2 inches in length, , silver with water -proofed fuse coming out of middle of m-80 (as opposed to the ends).

_added after reading entire thread:

After going to the link, yup, I've seen and used em. A group of us took some out with a huntling slingshot (35+ years ago) and Arc'd them over a cornfield. The damage to stalks was amazing. I can imagine what they would do to a person...

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According to "What is an M-80", it contains about 3 grams of a particular pyrotechnic compound. The name M-80 is just an arbitrary designation picked out by the military.

When I was a kid, the 'common wisdom' was that an M-80 was a quarter stick of dynamite - clearly ridiculous in hindsight.



Too bad there's not someone in the group that is an explosives expert.

Then we could get an accurate description

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