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BOARshevik is offline Old Post 06-29-2004 12:50 PM
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My whole argument isn't that based on race, ethnicity, color, religion, etc., but on age specifically. Youthful age, and in my case, gun ownership, are not covered by the Civil Rights act of 1964. Therefor, it is something that is discriminable.


I am not arguing that it is not legal to discriminate in this manner, only that it is wrong and should be illegal.

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As far as your comments on gun ownership


I have made no comments on gun ownership. Again you attribute to me things which I did not say.

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and carrier of a concealed weapon and constitutional scholar alike know that a weapon is a necessity to the user when carried for self defense, like my case. Just because I have the physical ability to NOT carry the weapon, doesn't mean I shouldn't. It is prudent, and dangerous to my liberties as a person and as a citizen to not carry my firearm because someone doesn't like it. If I go to a theater that says I cannot carry, and there are no 30.06 laws, I still carry because it is concealed anyway. If it is a 30.06 state, then I obey the law and I do not even go there. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.


This is completely contradictory. First you say that you should always be able to carry your gun, then you say that there are laws that prevent you from doing so at all times. Which is it?

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You have misconstrued me when saying I am for illegal discrimination


You are clearly misconstruing me. I never said you are for illegal discrimination, I said you were for discrimination, which happens to be legal. Not all that is legal is right. Slavery was once legal, that doesn't mean that it was ever right.

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and I even said that the establishment has to abide by the law of the land. From Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

TITLE II -- INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AGAINST DISCRIMINATION IN PLACES OF PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION

"Sec. 201. (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin"

And age is where? The only age based discrimination that I see is for the other end of the spectrum in employer hiring practices for those over a certain age, not under.

You have to understand, I am arguing on the side of the law and the law allows private businesses to say that people are too young to enter an establishment. I never said any other type of discrimination was right or just, and misconstruing my statements to make it look like I am arguing against the CRA of 1964 is kind of insulting. It is as if you are trying to make me sound less credible by creating lies about my argument itself.



In your first post on the subject, you mentioned nothing about laws. Read your own post, you mention how you think things should be, and you don't say a single thing about laws.

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Another big point that you may have overlooked is the fact kids that are 13, 14, whatever, are alone, without parental supervision or guardian. If anything, the private establishment is protecting itself from a whole lot of civil lawsuits by not allowing them in unaccompanied.


There's a difference between not allowing 13 year olds in an establishment and not allowing 20 year olds. There is no liability involved in letting 18-20 year olds into an establishment alone.

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Any discrimination that is illegal is wrong and we the people should put a stop to it. But, to put it bluntly, telling kids they are too young to enter is perfectly allowable by law.


I never argued that it was illegal (it is in fact illegal in the City of New York, but that's beside the point), only that it is wrong.

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Originally posted by BOARshevik

This is completely contradictory. First you say that you should always be able to carry your gun, then you say that there are laws that prevent you from doing so at all times. Which is it?

Just because I don't agree with a law, doesn't mean I will not abide it. There are plenty of laws I disagree with...but that doesn't mean I stop obeying them to the fullest extent. There are already laws that allow me to carry, and in PA, I am fully allowed to everywhere except for court rooms and schools K-12. I was presenting the hypothetical scenairo in Texas, but I still carry here because I am still abiding by the law. However, if they ask me to leave, then I leave because it is their ultimate perogative.

All of your aguments against me are purely on semantics and avoid the issue itself.

It is legal to descriminate against youths, and it is up to the owner of said establishment to choose if they will do so. End of discussion. If you don't like it, don't go there. They are doing nothing legally wrong, and while you may disagree with it, you'll have to deal.

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Bs,

From the way that you are behaving in this thread, I suspect that you would be one of the loud brats that I avoid in theaters. When you get old enough to vote, go do so.

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Anyone know of any reserved seating in the Dallas area? I searched around, but found nothing.

And RegBarc: don't take your gun to Six Flags... they don't allow em there either. The first year they had the policy, so many Texas cops were outraged that they were not allowed to carry their guns into the park that they doubled the signage at the front gate.

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quote:
Originally posted by danielhart
No more worries about getting to the theater early, waiting in line to get a good center seat and then some really tall schmo with a big hairdo shows up and blocks your view of the screen.
Quoz. How does a reserved seat for you eliminate the reserved seat in front of you for a schmo?

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A policy like that would also be pretty much the same as implementing one that banned people of a certain race from going to a movie.
Oh, that's silly. It's not age descrimination or any other kind to restrict specific showings to a more mature audience for whatever reason. And the kids can see the movie elsewhere. Even apartment houses are allowed to segregate their tenants by the age of their offspring or kind of pets they keep.

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Stop feeding the troll, people.

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OK, back on topic--are the theaters in areas offering reserved seating typically packed? In our area, the only time I've ever been to a theater that was full was for Spider-Man. Even most new releases tend not to fill the theater.

I'm just curious--is the reserved seating to ensure that you get the perfect seat, or is it because if you don't reserve a seat, you won't get one?

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Quoz. How does a reserved seat for you eliminate the reserved seat in front of you for a schmo?
Dunno 'bout reserved seating in that regard, but I've yet to have my view blocked in any stadium-seating theater thanks to the slope of the rows.

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We use the Lowe's seating all the time. I like the ease of getting a good seat without waiting in line and running into the theatre. It is $5 more, but they give you a $3.50 food coupon too. Since I'm always buying food anyway, it makes my seat only $1.50 more.

The ushers are always visible and do a great job keeping people without reserved seating out of the reserved area. Only once have I observed someone getting angry with them about having to sit somewhere else.

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quote:
Originally posted by doom1701
OK, back on topic--are the theaters in areas offering reserved seating typically packed? In our area, the only time I've ever been to a theater that was full was for Spider-Man. Even most new releases tend not to fill the theater.

I'm just curious--is the reserved seating to ensure that you get the perfect seat, or is it because if you don't reserve a seat, you won't get one?



Doom, I think you raise an excellent point. Where I live (NYC) virtually every movie in a prime time, time slot is packed. I have to be in my seat 30 minutes before the start of the movie if I want to get a seat that I want (meaning isle, 2/3 of the way up from the screen). Other communities, such as where my wife's family live (Maine) we could walk into a theather 10-15 minutes before and NO ONE is in the theater.

So I think it depends where you are and the type of crowds you have to contend with.

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Yes



Yup, all of those.



Sorry, but maturity comes with age, and no matter how mature someone may be for their age, they still need to experience life a bit more before they should be legally allowed to indulge in certain activities. While you may believe that children should be allowed to walk into a liquor store and buy some Jack Daniels or Marlboros, it's extremely short-sighted and not very well though-out to assume that everyone, regardless of age, has the maturity needed for certain activities.

I don't have problems myself with teenagers at theaters, and will probably go see Spiderman 2 in the next two days with full crowds of people, but I also don't have problems with age-restrictions. And should a theater offer an age restriction, then I'd probably choose that showing over one that didn't have it.

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All of your aguments against me are purely on semantics and avoid the issue itself.


They do not avoid the issue at all. The argument was entirely about whether it is right to have such a policy not whether it is legal. You were the one who brought up the law.

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Bs,

From the way that you are behaving in this thread, I suspect that you would be one of the loud brats that I avoid in theaters. When you get old enough to vote, go do so.



No personal attacks, please. Stick to the discussion, and not the people arguing the issue.

This isn't the only attack in this thread, but it will be the last.

Thank you.

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I am curious, do you reserve a specific seat, or do you just get a particular area? Is there anything distinguishing your seats from any other?

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I am curious, do you reserve a specific seat, or do you just get a particular area? Is there anything distinguishing your seats from any other?


Not sure how it works at Lowes, but at the Arc Light, you reserve a specific seat. Just like at a concert, sporting event, etc.

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Sorry, but maturity comes with age, and no matter how mature someone may be for their age, they still need to experience life a bit more before they should be legally allowed to indulge in certain activities. While you may believe that children should be allowed to walk into a liquor store and buy some Jack Daniels or Marlboros, it's extremely short-sighted and not very well though-out to assume that everyone, regardless of age, has the maturity needed for certain activities.


I never believed that everyone, regardless of age has the maturity needed for certain activities. I simply believe that age restrictions are the wrong way to protect children, since they oppress more people than they end up helping.

China doesn't have a drinking age. There kids CAN go into a store and buy Jack Daniels or Marlboros. I don't think they have 5 year olds stumbling around drunk all over.

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I am curious, do you reserve a specific seat, or do you just get a particular area? Is there anything distinguishing your seats from any other?


A particular area. It just guarantees that you won't end up sitting directly in front of the screen.

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So for theaters that do this, does it mean that if I don't want to pay more for the reserved seating that I'll get a bad seat? I like getting there early to ensure a good seat in the middle but there's no way I'm pay $10 more for my wife and me to see a movie.

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I am curious, do you reserve a specific seat, or do you just get a particular area? Is there anything distinguishing your seats from any other?


At our Loew's you get a specific seat. They have seat maps for each theatre and we keep track of which seats we like in each theatre. I like the ones that are just 2 seats in the row. It's easy for my wife and I to get in and out while not having anyone else have to get past us.

As far as what distinguishes them. They are comfy soft chairs, with lots of legroom, and in the best spot in the theatre. They also flip up the armrest between the two seats so that it's like we're on a small love seat.

Really makes my movie experience much more enjoyable.

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