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HDTiVo is offline Old Post 01-20-2004 06:38 AM
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Another Persons TiVo on My Network

I have an odd problem that I have already spent much time trying to fix to no avail.

I am using the Trial of HMO in an apartment building and someone else's Music and Photos are appearing on my Music and Photos. My computer is listed as well as theirs...in fact, sometimes my TiVo doesn't find my computer's TiVo server, but still finds the other person's. I can see Photos and play pictures off their computer.

I do not see their TiVo in my Now Playing list. I suspect they are using a MAC since there is a wireless network called "apple network" listed when I click "Wireless Settings". My Wireless name also appears.

I have a wireless router w/ 4 ports that connects also to my DSL modem (Verizon)

When I used a wireless usb adapter on my TiVo and selected my Wireless network, their server went away. I also set up a password (WEP), etc.

When an internet connection is established, the other server appears on my Music/Photos list. I can not get it to go away anymore. This happens even though I now use a wired adapter to my TiVo.

I have tried every setting/option I can think of. I have powered down everything - TiVo, PC, Router, DSL - and restarted from scratch. Nothing helps.

As soon as my router logs into the internet, the other server starts appearing on TiVo.

I can not see another device (other than my PC and my TiVo) on my network with the "attached devices" view from the routers diagnostics.

I am anxious to eliminate the unwanted server and also concerned that my TiVo or PC are exposed to other(s).

Thanks for any help.

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Austin Bike is offline Old Post 01-20-2004 08:00 AM
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What is your workgroup name?

I would change your workgroup name first and see if that helps.

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If you're running a wireless network, you should use the security features available to you. This would include:

  • Making your wireless network "closed" -- so the SSID isn't broadcast (also change your SSID value)
  • Enable WEP/WAP
  • Set up an access list on your wireless router
You should review the documentation that accompanied your wireless access point/router to learn about these.

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Under Music/Photos:

What are the two entries:

Photos on TiVo Online
Music on TiVo Online

They show up whenever I connect to the internet and have several folders of pictures and one folder of music "universal folder"

What are they for? Can I get rid of them?

Thanks

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quote:
Originally posted by HDTiVo
Under Music/Photos:

What are the two entries:

Photos on TiVo Online
Music on TiVo Online


This isn't your neighbors computer. This is a server that TiVo (the company) itself provides via the internet. You will see it anytime your TiVo is connected to the Internet.

There is nothing bad about them being there. Actually if they weren't there, that would be bad as it means your wireless link went down or the TiVo lost its internet access. I frequently check to see they are there to check my TiVo's connection.

BTW in order for you to see a neighbors TiVo via a wireless link all the following would have to be true:
1. Your SSID (wireless network name) is the same as theirs
2. You have wireless encryption disabled
3. The Tivo has an IP address on their subnet (static or dynamic)

This is possible if your neighbors use the same brand of router as you and both you and them haven't changed the default settings. But you would notice immediate problems since both your router and theirs would have the same IP address and be acting as DHCP servers. Basically very strange things would happen. Basically changing #1 above eliminates the chance of this happening.

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edited. nm, the above post answered it

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This has caused some confusion. When I go into Wireless Settings I see my neighbors network "Susan's Apple Network" I can connect my TiVo to it, get about 30% signal (vs. 90% for my network) and I can connect to the TiVo service using "her" network. She apparently didn't password protect her network. I think I have secured mine with the WEP and setting up an access list that only includes the MAC of my wireless ethernet adapter.

Because I had seen the Music/Photos on TiVo Online servers, I had concluded I was actually seeing her computer's files. This is apparently not the case. Because her computer is connected to the internet, I see TiVo Online server when I connect to her network.

I haven't found anywhere that TiVo documents that you will see the TiVo Online server in addition to your server when you connect to the internet. This was the root of alot of my confusion and cost me countless hours worrying that I was looking at someone else's private files and that I was open to others.

However, having seen her wireless network and logged into it, it has led me to secure my network - hopefully properly.

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I don't have ANY of the problems mentioned in this Forum.

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I would try to find the person who is broadcasting these files and help them secure there wireless network so other people can't hack into their files and stuff, and it should probably stop showing up on your tivo.

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The vast majority of people don't secure their wireless networks, probably because they either don't know they can or that they don't know they should. It's kind of like how very few people on the Net use a firewall.

I have 2 neighbors, each with a wireless network. Neither network is secure. I think one of them uses MAC filtering though.

Also just because you can see a network on the TiVo doesn't necessarily mean you can access it. In this case HDTiVo could, but if his neighbor had used encryption or MAC filtering he wouldn't have been able to.


On a side note: Even if both HDTiVo and his neighbor's TiVo were on the same network, they wouldn't be able to talk to each other because of the way TiVo implements HMO (you need to be on the same account to transfer shows from TiVo to TiVo).

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