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killed4nada is offline Old Post 04-30-2004 09:54 AM
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Opinions on Free HMO trial

I know it hasnt started yet but as of May 10 there is supposed to be a free 30 day HMO trail so if you can hold out until then you get to try it before you buy it. And you dont have to worry about giving out your credit card number

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You can always try it for 30 days and get a full refund if you don't like it anyways.

*Shrug*

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I own two TiVos, one Series 1 and one Series 2, both have lifetime subs. I bought the S2 when TiVo had a similar offer last year. Much to my chagrin, I discovered HMO doesn't work with HPNA. I wasn't about to buy replacement network hardware just to try HMO.

Although I will soon change my network to wireless, I still won't go for HMO. Having had time to think about it, the only HMO feature that would be of value to me is R2R, and that's not going to happen unless I get a second S2.

If I could transfer the subscription from the S1 to a new S2, I'd buy a new S2 and pass the S1 on to one of my friends. Since I can't transfer the subscription, I'll be sitting on the sidelines until the S1 dies.

Bottom line: There's no compelling reason for me to even try HMO at the present time.

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I think it is a great idea.

I was considering buying it, but this way I can try before I buy.

Though.. I did not know about the 30 day money back guarantee..

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I'm glad I got a chance to try it.

I have only 1 tivo so show sharing isn't an option.
The only feature I would use is the Music and Photos and that's not worth the $99 price tag.

There are better dedicated devices to play music, pictures AND VIDEOS over the network and they are around $99 or less.

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The remote scheduling is great though. I used it a lot the last trial period. I will probably get HMO now that I have JavaHMO running.

/Mike

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I reeived an EMail(not a TiVo message, but a real EMail) from TiVo about the trial and that I should see Music and Photos on TiVo Central.

Since this is not officially starting untill the 10th, can I just ASSume this EMail was sent out a few days early for those lucky enough to receive it already?

I really wanna try these options out.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gregd33
I reeived an EMail(not a TiVo message, but a real EMail) from TiVo about the trial and that I should see Music and Photos on TiVo Central.

Since this is not officially starting until the 10th, can I just ASSume this EMail was sent out a few days early for those lucky enough to receive it already?

I really wanna try these options out.



We send each e-mail as we turn on the trial for a particular DVR, so if you got the e-mail, you can activate the trial on your DVR by making a connection to the TiVo service.

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Just tried HMO. I'm using a wireless network adapter with my TiVo, so certainly that contributes to this my negative impressions, but here they are anyway:

1- First, I had read about HMO before, and since I only have a single series 2 tivo, I didn't think I wanted it.

2- However, when I tried it, I started to think about my 200 CDs of audio I've got on my PC, and since my Tivo is hooked to my home stereo, I thought that could really be worth something. Much to my chagrin, though, the audio thing wouldn't deal with WMP files (from Windows Media Player). Since there's zero chance I'm going to convert all my files to mp3 or rerip them all, I dismissed this HMO audio/music option as worthless.

3- Thought the pictures could be cool -- so I hooked it up to My Pictures. It seemed to recognize those, but it was VERY slow. Certainly part of that is related to the wireless. But it was too slow to be useful, particularly reading directories/folders.

I fooled with the pictures for a few more minutes and tried to do a slide show. The TiVo then told me it lost connection with my PC.

I've now uninstalled TiVo Desktop and am quite done with HMO. I'd reconsider it if they could work out a seemless integration with all my WMP files though. That would be worth something.

TiVo should focus on something that matters though, like a multi-tuner cable box DVR. I'm sure their standalone unit sales are on the decline by now, and DirecTV alone won't be enough to keep the company afloat.

My criticisms aside, I love my TiVo and really wish for them to succeed. However, my history (Apple and Sun, for example) is to pick people with great products and lousy marketing schemes.

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quote:
Originally posted by TiVoBill
We send each e-mail as we turn on the trial for a particular DVR, so if you got the e-mail, you can activate the trial on your DVR by making a connection to the TiVo service.


That was how I thought it would go.. However, I have made TiVo call 4-5 times and nothing.

No big deal. Just thought I might get to play around with it today instead of during the week/next weekend.

Thanks for the reply.

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Originally posted by drewbenson

Much to my chagrin, though, the audio thing wouldn't deal with WMP files (from Windows Media Player). Since there's zero chance I'm going to convert all my files to mp3 or rerip them all, I dismissed this HMO audio/music option as worthless.



Home Media Option currently supports only the MP3 file format. There are however several third-party add-ins that do support the WMA format that Windows Media Player uses. There are a couple of WMA plug-ins mentioned here:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...threadid=124778
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...threadid=139027

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Thought the pictures could be cool -- so I hooked it up to My Pictures. It seemed to recognize those, but it was VERY slow. Certainly part of that is related to the wireless. But it was too slow to be useful, particularly reading directories/folders.



You might check out the article on our support site:
http://customersupport.tivo.com/tiv...blic/tv2061.htm

You might want to pay particular attention to the size of the photos and how many are in each directory to make the transfer speed as high as possible.

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I took a chance on HMO about a month ago before the trial option -- and never looked back. I use a wired network, and it's very fast, even for 2MB photos.

Having -all- my MP3s ( about 30G) instantly available streaming into Tivo and my stereo system and on my screen is worth the price of admission alone. I've been listening to my music collection much more since I got HMO. Also, putting up MP3 streaming radio stations is easy, I now have about 100 stations on my TV screen along with other music. I use only high-bit rate stations, and they sound great.

The photo option looks much better than I thought it would -- it's totally replaced gathering around the computer monitor for family slide shows.

The remote scheduling is extremely useful, and I've caught many shows that I wouldn't have scheduling from my work computer. I think that option is available without HMO, however.

I tried javaHMO, which seemed like a great idea, but could not get many features to work, and photo viewing was slowed down too much. When my whole system started acting flaky I uninstalled it and went back to the Tivo server.

I do hope Tivo will update features in HMO as it is still pretty basic, but well worth the $99 IMHO.

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Still no HMO today.. Hmm.. Any ideas why?

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As an experiment I tried remote scheduling and earlier today from work I selected a show this afternoon to record. After saving the request, the website said that it'd be added to my "to do" list the next time my machine connected to the network. I was skeptical that a request for this afternoon would be processed in time but to my surprise the program was on my Tivo when I got home this afternoon.

Not having so good luck with the music and photos though. I've installed desktop, published music and photos and yet my Tivo can't see the server. I've triple checked the IP address and I'm not running any firewall software or anything mentioned in the troubleshooting guide and yet my Tivo still can't see the machine running the Tivo desktop software. Tivo desktop appears to be able to see the tivo as it shows up in the access control tab.

Anybody else having this problem?

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Still no HMO today.. Hmm.. Any ideas why?


Ahhh HA!

As I suspected.

I have 2 TiVos in my account. One is mine, at my house. The other is my Moms, at her house. Even though I am the one that has the broadband connection, my Moms TiVo is the one that has the Music and Photos menu item.

How silly of TiVo. They sent the HMO trial to a TiVo that is not even connected to Broadband.

TiVoBill,

Can this be corrected? I sent you a PM with MY TiVos serial number.

Thanks.

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The HMO trial is going out to all Series2 DVRs with active service (no broadband required). The rollout is still in progress -- the 10th isn't over yet

Bill

quote:
Originally posted by Gregd33
Ahhh HA!

As I suspected.

I have 2 TiVos in my account. One is mine, at my house. The other is my Moms, at her house. Even though I am the one that has the broadband connection, my Moms TiVo is the one that has the Music and Photos menu item.

How silly of TiVo. They sent the HMO trial to a TiVo that is not even connected to Broadband.

TiVoBill,

Can this be corrected? I sent you a PM with MY TiVos serial number.

Thanks.

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Not having so good luck with the music and photos though. I've installed desktop, published music and photos and yet my Tivo can't see the server. I've triple checked the IP address and I'm not running any firewall software or anything mentioned in the troubleshooting guide and yet my Tivo still can't see the machine running the Tivo desktop software. Tivo desktop appears to be able to see the tivo as it shows up in the access control tab.


I was having this exact problem. Try this... go into the tivo desktop software, and check under "Tivo Server Properties". Under "network identification" check to see if you have multiple network choices. Mine was defaulted to the wrong setup, once I made that change, it worked perfectly.

I'm loving HMO. Been wanting to be able to play my music collection through the stereo for some time, and with 2 young kids, its nice being able to view all the pictures on the TV. My wife who wanted nothing to do with HMO fell in love with it within 5 minutes of being able to scroll through the pictures. Now if I could just get that offer for $40 off again, I would jump right on it!

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quote:
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I was having this exact problem. Try this... go into the tivo desktop software, and check under "Tivo Server Properties". Under "network identification" check to see if you have multiple network choices. Mine was defaulted to the wrong setup, once I made that change, it worked perfectly.


Thanks for the idea, I don't have more than one network but after rebooting the machine running the desktop software, Tivo finally saw the server. The file sharing works ok but the music feature isn't going to be of much value to me as although I listen to a lot of music, I don't do it in the great room with the TV. Picture viewing was more useful as I've had a digital camera since 2001 and all of my photos are on my upstairs computer. Browsing through some vacation photos was pretty cool as it's nicer on a 46" tv versus a computer screen. My test of remote scheduling worked but as I generally run my wishlists every few days, the only thing I can come up with where I'd use it was if somebody at the office told me about an upcoming program and I wanted to immediately go schedule it (in short - doubt it'd get used frequently).

Bottom line assessment: it's not priced right for the value I'd get out of it. Wonder how many others would jump on it at $50 instead of $100?

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The HMO trial is going out to all Series2 DVRs with active service (no broadband required). The rollout is still in progress -- the 10th isn't over yet

Bill



OIC. I thought it required broadband... Ooops!

Thanks Bill.

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Works for me

My HMO free trial activated on the 10th as promised. I tried JavaHMO
first but could not get it started on my XP home system( java command line options the JVM did not like). The TiVo desktop
is working though. I'm using a wired 10/100 network so photo viewing is
fast. The MP3 files play OK too. Like others, I wish I could have the music playing in the background while looking at photos. The result of the slide show is that I now have a to-do list from my wife of digital photos that
I need to print out. I would be nice if TiVo could partner with an internet photo printing service so my wife could order prints using the TiVo remote.
You could even plug a photo printer into the USB port an print the photos directly. The request could also go back to the TiVo desktop but that would require me to load photo paper in the printer.

I tried remote scheduling as well and got both emails for each program with about a 30 minute lag between the request and the confirmation emails.

With only one DVR in the house, I can't try the multi-room viewing. I wish I had the option of sharing with the TiVo owner across the street. I'd share my broadband via WiFi to his house to get that.

So far, I don't think I can justify the $99 cost. I might go for the next $59 special though.

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