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blybug is offline Old Post 10-19-2003 02:45 AM
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Bac news about AAC support

Following the introduction of Apple iTunes for Windows I sent (yet another) request to TiVo regarding the timeline for AAC support with the Home Media Option. I bought the TiVo last spring when TiVo announced they were "working with Apple" on a solution. Here's the response I got:

Hello Keith,

Thank you for contacting TiVo Customer Support. I understand you would like to know when AAC files will be support with Home Media Option.

We do not yet know if or when AAC files will be supported. When support for AAC files is implemented it we will post this information on our site.

Kind regards,
Ken
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Web response tracking number: 91655


Aaarrggh. My former MP3 library is almost entirely AAC at this point. I guess I may just buy an extra dock for my iPod and hook it into the home entertainment system rather than waiting for Apple and TiVo to get together on the ultimate "digital hub" convergence.

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You could always burn your AAC files to an audio CD and then rip the audio CD into MP3 files. It's very kludgy but it does work.

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Actually, there's a better way than that...dragging the AACs (even protected ones) to a Toast audio CD window, creating a disk image, mounting the disk image which iTunes recognizes as an audio CD (even if you put many many more songs than a real CD could hold), and re-ripping as MP3 does the trick very quickly and without wasting any actual CDs.

But...either method loses the ID3 tagging unless you duplicate an exact "album" that the CDDB can recognize, which becomes kind of annoying retyping in all that stuff. And I don't want to have to maintain 2 copies of each music file...I've purchased over 1000 iTunes Music Store songs (replacing my illegitimate MP3s) and re-ripped 2500 more songs from my own CDs into AAC...naively believing the press release from May that AAC support would be forthcoming.

If Apple is pushing AAC as the format of choice for digital music, they can only benefit from third party support. If this is how I am to buy my music from now on, it should be usable "as-is" across multiple devices...iPod, computer, network, TiVo. I sure hope they figure this out someday.

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Good grief, how long can this possibly take? I'm no programmer, but it's been 5 months (!) since we first heard (perhaps incorrectly?) that this was in progress. Is this really such a major undertaking?

Unfortunately TiVo already got my $99, otherwise I'd say "Call me when you figure out AAC support and I'd be happy to sign up."

Come on TiVo, iTunes Music Store is going to be huge. Get on board. Please. Quickly.

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I second that

As a PC user who just chucked MMJB for ITunes and just bought an Ipod, I would agree. I have everything already in MP3 but as I continue to buy music from the Itunes store, having to burn and then rip as MP3 is pretty stupid.

OT: Why can't you just convert the $#@ing song to MP3 in the first place? MMJB's downloads do the same thing. Oh well, that's what CDRW's are for, right?

I'm glad that Itunes accepts my MP3s .

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Must have something to do with that new Dell deal. Sigh, I could've sworn they said that AAC support was coming months ago. Really starting to lose faith in TiVo lately

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Just curious.. Apple allows authorizing the AAC files on three different computers. How would you propose that HMO play along with these rules? the computer running the HMO server counts as 1 or does each TiVo client? If it's the latter, I'm hosed because I have three Tivo's and 3 Mac's in the house. If it's the former, it may be an issue because Apple may have a contractual obligation to limit the sharing.

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I wouldn't think you'd have to authorize the TiVo, only the computer streaming the music to the TiVo. So you could have one Mac streaming to 3 TiVos in the house, with two other Macs authorized. I see this as fair usage as all your TiVos are within your home. The 3-computer rule is probably there so you couldn't authorize a dozen computers among friends in different locations and share song collections in that way.

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Actually, there's a better way than that


I've found an even more effective way, although it takes a while on my slower machine. I can't post a link here because this is my first post, but the program is called ilovemp3 and you can do a search on Google for it.

You can download the program and get started converting from AAC to mp3 easily. It also saves the ID3 tags, so it works fairly well. I would highly recommend reading the information on the site, as the program has no docs with it.

Hope this helps for some.

BTW it's Mac only as far as I can tell.

Matt

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I can't post a link here because this is my first post, but the program is called ilovemp3...


Here you go...

http://u1.netgate.net/~snowcat/iLoveMP3/

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Thanks Dan!

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If only Tivo would release a SDK for the mac. it woudln't be that hard to write a plugin that does what iLoveMP3 does on the fly to serve up an MP3 to listen too. *sigh*

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quote:
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Just curious.. Apple allows authorizing the AAC files on three different computers. How would you propose that HMO play along with these rules? the computer running the HMO server counts as 1 or does each TiVo client? If it's the latter, I'm hosed because I have three Tivo's and 3 Mac's in the house. If it's the former, it may be an issue because Apple may have a contractual obligation to limit the sharing.


Simple. Use iTunes Streaming, and cut back the TiVo Desktop to just launch and set up iTunes for streaming.

The streaming is exempt from the 3 computer rule.

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You could always burn your AAC files to an audio CD and then rip the audio CD into MP3 files. It's very kludgy but it does work.


The problem with that is that it garbages up your computer, your iTunes, and your iPod with 2 copies of each song. Not only does this waste huge amounts of disk space, but look what happens when you search on Artist, Album, or Song- two of each! And yep- it plays the doubles as well!

Bottom line- AAC support is an absolute must!!

kupe

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Aren't any of the TiVo insiders going to pop into this thread and tell us "Soon, very soon..."?

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There's always this answer...

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iLoveMP3 will quickly convert complete directories of files in mixed formats (such as ogg, midi or acc) to mp3, using Quicktime for Java to uncompress files and lame to recompress in mp3 format. The result should be superior in quality to iTunes "Convert to mp3". iLoveMP3 is also smart enough to skip mp3 files or files that already have an mp3 counterpart. Finally it will take advantage of dual processor machines by processing 2 files at once.


Find it at http://u1.netgate.net/~snowcat/iLoveMP3/iLoveMP3.html

Not only will it convert AAC (and other formats to MP3), it also retains the ID3 tags.

In regard to the iTMS, as long as the computer on which you run this is "authorized" -- it will handle tracks purchased from the iTMS.

(sorry -- this is a Mac only product)

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quote:
Originally posted by genearch
Just curious.. Apple allows authorizing the AAC files on three different computers. How would you propose that HMO play along with these rules? the computer running the HMO server counts as 1 or does each TiVo client? If it's the latter, I'm hosed because I have three Tivo's and 3 Mac's in the house. If it's the former, it may be an issue because Apple may have a contractual obligation to limit the sharing.


AAC files that you get while ripping from CDs you own, wouldn't be subject to this rule - 'authorizing' only applies to AAC's downloaded from the iTunes Music Store.

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AAC files that you get while ripping from CDs you own, wouldn't be subject to this rule - 'authorizing' only applies to AAC's downloaded from the iTunes Music Store.


In fact, it's pretty simple to adjust the iTunes preferences so that CD's it rips are all encoded as MP3 files.

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The problem with that is that it garbages up your computer, your iTunes, and your iPod with 2 copies of each song. Not only does this waste huge amounts of disk space, but look what happens when you search on Artist, Album, or Song- two of each! And yep- it plays the doubles as well!

Bottom line- AAC support is an absolute must!!



While I agree that AAC support is a good thing, I believe that with the current work arounds you can avoid having two of each file. I used ilovemp3 to reencode the single song I have purchased from the ITMS and after playing around with it I can truly say that I can erase the original, because the mp3 copy is just as good and retained all of the original ID3 info. You don't need to keep both copies, and the new one is DRM free.

Matt

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Hmm, I can't imagine an AAC cross-encoded to MP3 can sound as good as the original AAC. Maybe "good," but definitely not "as good." I'd at least hold on to those original files somewhere. Apple won't let you download them again when you decide the MP3 versions aren't so hot after all...

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