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edhara is offline Old Post 10-24-2003 12:06 PM
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DVD-R To Become Extinct?

Geez... I REALLY hope this is not going to happen. I have three -R/RW burners...

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http://www.dvd-recordable.org/modul...article&sid=825

According to a report from the Computex exhibition in Taipei the majority opinion is that the DVD-R format looks likely to lose the big format war in the next year or so. The logic behind this claim is that of the major drive manufacturers only Pioneer appears commited to DVD-R and even they are now hedging their bets with dual format products.

The claim is made in the German website PCWelt.de, which has posted a report from Computex with interesting information about coming DVD writers. Here are some of the other claims in the article:

* The DVD+R/RW format is likely to become the dominating format in 2004 according to most drive and media manufacturers.
* Lite-On will introduce an 8x DVD writer, the LDW-811S, in late October. A 12x model could follow as early as in the end of Q1 2004.
* AOpen will introduce a 12x DVD+R/RW writer in the beginning of 2004.
* 16x writers could appear in 2004 and will be the max speed for DVD burners.
* CMC, Ritek and an unamed Japanese manufacturer will start mass production of 8x DVD+R media in mid October.
* Sony has developed a dual layer DVD+R blank but it will likely never reach production stage because the drives needed to burn it will be too expensive.

Story source (translated through babelfish): pcwelt.de

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There are three pieces of anecdotal evidence I've seen that make me think that DVD-R will survive.

1. DVD-R blanks are cheaper and more plentiful than DVD +R
2. Most of the mod-able or multi region stand alone DVD players seem more compatible with DVD-Rs
3. It's looking like it's not that expensive to make DVD burners support bot +R and -R

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I hope thats not true, I have a 6 1/2 year old DVD player that plays DVD-R disc fine with no problem.

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Re: DVD-R To Become Extinct?

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Geez... I REALLY hope this is not going to happen. I have three -R/RW burners...


I wonder if you can part them and fix my BetaMax.

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Re: DVD-R To Become Extinct?

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* Sony has developed a dual layer DVD+R blank but it will likely never reach production stage because the drives needed to burn it will be too expensive.
If Sony was smart, they'd produce them anyway: the DVD+R and DVD-R dual layer drives are coming, and I for one will purchase one when they arrive.

I think it's still too early to say whether DVD-R or DVD+R will win.

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I thought the blanks were the same price now? I know there used to be a big difference, but hasn't that changed in the last 6 months or so?

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I'm shopping for a boat load of blanks right now. I can take - or + (Sony DRU-500). So far, I'm seeing lower prices for - ...

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I'd be sorry for those of you who have only -R drives if this happens. As long as +R doesn't become extinct I'm happy. I think both will survive for the short term.

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Re: Re: DVD-R To Become Extinct?

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If Sony was smart, they'd produce them anyway: the DVD+R and DVD-R dual layer drives are coming, and I for one will purchase one when they arrive.

I think it's still too early to say whether DVD-R or DVD+R will win.



Do we know if dual layer drives will use the same media or will there be new higher priced dual layer media?

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Re: Re: Re: DVD-R To Become Extinct?

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Do we know if dual layer drives will use the same media or will there be new higher priced dual layer media?
The dual layer -R & +R drives will require new dual layer discs - which will most likely be more expensive than single layer. The price will drop, though, as usual.

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I wouldn't worry at all about having a -R drive. This is different from the VHS/Betamax wars a while back for one main reason... the discs you create with your -R drive will still be able to be used in most of the DVD players!

Unlike Beta, you don't need special DVD players to play the -R discs. So look at the worst case scenario: DVD-R becomes obsolete tomorrow. What would happen to the -R drive users?

1) You'd still have your drive, and you'd still be able to burn DVDs like you always could.
2) You'd still be able to buy -R blanks for a long time.
3) As with all computer technology, the drives would break down after some time, and you would wind up replacing them with new ones. Except the new ones would be whatever standard is in place at the time.
4) Then you'll just keep on burning new discs using the new media, but still able to use your old media.

I had to make up my mind as to which format to buy when I got my DVD burner. I chose +R technology, but at the time, +R didn't have all the support planned like it does now, so it still looked iffy. But the reasoning I came up with made me feel comfortable that even if the drive I chose became obsolete, I'd still be able to use it, and I'd still be able to use the discs I burned.

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I think both are here to stay - even if the market is skewed towards one or the other in the end. After all, we've had mac-vs-pc arguments for years, and neither is going away. And they're fun.

Either way, I'm covered - I have a ± drive.

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I think this is more marketing FUD perpetrated by the +R camp. They've been doing a LOT of that. I don't see DVD-R going away anytime soon.

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What Raj said...

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This is why I have a DRU-500A. I couldn't care less which format wins in the long run.

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Both formats will continue to exist because there are some DVD PLAYERS that will recognize one format but not the other and still others players that recognize the other but not the former. If there was one format that was recognized by all DVD players and the media was cheaper then I would be concerned that the other format would disappear. Till then expect to see both formats.

There are far too many drives of both formats to eliminate one or the other. Now with most drives being capable of both formats does it really matter?

Did you see the specs on the new HD-DVD format....

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"will recognize one format but not the other and still others players that recognize the other but not the former."
HFC I thought there were just two formats - now you tell me there's three. "one format", "the other" and "the former"

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I'm shopping for a boat load of blanks right now. I can take - or + (Sony DRU-500). So far, I'm seeing lower prices for - ...


What kind of prices are you seeing? I'm in the market for full coverage inkjet printable DVDRs. The only ones that I've found are some printable (up to hub ring) Samsung/BeAll 4X DVD-Rs for $134/100. Otherwise, I'm partial to printable (up to stack ring) Ritek G03 1X/2X DVD-Rs for $85/100.

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Well for consumers there is no war.

All the major players are producing dual format burners. I just buy whatever is cheaper at the time.

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In my production almost all of my clients request DVD-R (if they know what they're talking about).

Only one has ever wanted +R.

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