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W Auggie H is offline Old Post 01-07-2004 07:40 PM
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You know technology is a funny thing. I am a TiVo user for almost 5 years now, and one thing I have noticed is that I watch less TV. That statement although being true, needs further explanation. I watch less TV but I watch more quality content. That is the key to how TiVo has changed my viewing habits. DVD has also help change my habits but we won't get into that, but it is worth mentioning.

I started to realize that I pay a good bit of money each month to Comcast to have the ability to potentially watch 200+ digital channels, but I use only a fraction of content largely because of TiVo. Out of that fraction of content I also realized that I use the same channels over and over and the funny thing is that 85+% of those channels are ones that I could get for free if I wanted to over the air with old fashion broadcast TV. Why don't I? well because of quality? You see I have become accustom to the quality of reception that DirecTV and Digital Cable and DVD have to offer. Again it goes back to quality. Not only quality of content but quality the delivery and display of that content.

That brings us to HDTV and DTV and TiVo. As I looked more into the push for OTA digital and HDTV I found it increasingly interesting. Most of the stations that I watch on a regular basis are currently being broadcast digitally free over the air in Atlanta. But there is no inexpensive way to actually watch any of those channels, but I want to watch them! Now I am starting see why the FCC is push so hard for the industry to make equipment that is compatible with these signals.

I started to realize a few months back about how wonderful it could potentially be if or when TiVo finally came out with a SA TiVo box that was capable of receiving and recording OTA Digital/HDTV signal. Given what I have already described I would then be able to watch for free almost all the stations that I really care about in a quality that is better than I get now. The picture is starting to get clear for me. This is why I am now waiting like many other to hear what TiVo has to say tomorrow during the press conference. I believe this HDTiVo product is as important or more important than TiVo signing a big cable contract. I am starting see a new rebellion starting to take shape. I will gladly lend my services to this new HDTiVo army. Who is with me?

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quote:
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That brings us to HDTV and DTV and TiVo. As I looked more into the push for OTA digital and HDTV I found it increasingly interesting. Most of the stations that I watch on a regular basis are currently being broadcast digitally free over the air in Atlanta. But there is no inexpensive way to actually watch any of those channels, but I want to watch them! Now I am starting see why the FCC is push so hard for the industry to make equipment that is compatible with these signals.


what expense do you find unacceptable?

Most of us in Atlanta that care about HD have an HD, DTV (gets OTA also) receiver along with an SD TiVo. HD channels on DTV (including ESPN-HD) are only 10.99/ mo. extra. And the free channels include NBC, ABC, CBS, TBS, UPN, and WB so far (Fox (WAGA) supposedly will be 720p this year).

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The back panel has the following: HDMI out, Component video out, S-video and composite video out, optical digital audio out, 2-channel analog audio out, 2 satellite inputs, one antenna input, phone jack, serial jack and IR jack.

People have talked about how HDMI is backward compatible with DVI.. what exactly would you call that adapter?

Edit: I think I have got it. I didn't see adapter but I see they have HDMI-DVI wires that support HDCP like this one
http://www2.dvigear.com/dvihdmi2mcable.html

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quote:
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what expense do you find unacceptable?

Most of us in Atlanta that care about HD have an HD, DTV (gets OTA also) receiver along with an SD TiVo. HD channels on DTV (including ESPN-HD) are only 10.99/ mo. extra. And the free channels include NBC, ABC, CBS, TBS, UPN, and WB so far (Fox (WAGA) supposedly will be 720p this year).



My statement was that there is no inexpensive way to watch OTA Digital channels. I never said it was unacceptable. At the moment I do not have any HD or DTV capable anything. If I were to buy at a HDTV set today I would still need a HD/DTV receiver, then if I wanted to keep TiVo I would also need to have my SA TiVo. I am saying that it starts to become more attractive to me if I were to buy a HDTV then buy a HDTivo and if that is all I wanted then I could dump cable and sell my SA TiVo. Little better having 2 TiVo's and Comcast Dig Cable box and whatever else...

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quote:
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Some aspect ratio control is available (but I couldn't get a demonstration). Hopefully, I'll find someone who knows more on Thursday. More (and pictures) to follow.


First, thank you very much for the info!

I have read that the aspect will be controlled by a switch on the unit itself and NOT automatically or via remote. Can you confirm this if you happen to get a chance?

Thanks again for any and all info!

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MikeSRC: Thank you so much for posting that info. I'm drooling with anticipation...

Now, can someone tell me what the "serial jack" is?

Also, can someone please logically explain to me why they haven't included a LAN jack yet? I really, truely, honestly can't come up with a logical reason for this.

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Now, can someone tell me what the "serial jack" is?

Also, can someone please logically explain to me why they haven't included a LAN jack yet? I really, truely, honestly can't come up with a logical reason for this. [/B]


Currently the serial jack on a TiVo is to control another component like a cable box. Beyond that I don't know if it has ever served much other purpose.

The reason they have not included a LAN jack is because they opted to include 2 USB ports. Currently you can use the USB port to connect a wired or wireless network adapter. So I guess that is a reason but I am not sure. USB ports can be used for a wider range of things where as the LAN jack is very specific. I certainly could also be entirely wrong.

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The reason they have not included a LAN jack is because they opted to include 2 USB ports. Currently you can use the USB port to connect a wired or wireless network adapter. So I guess that is a reason but I am not sure. USB ports can be used for a wider range of things where as the LAN jack is very specific. I certainly could also be entirely wrong.


The USB ports also make it easier to handle different LAN types. USB->Wireless LAN adapters are more readily available and less costly than 10/100baseT->Wireless LAN devices. Setting up a wired LAN in an old house can be, er, challenging for a DIYer, if they don't want wires strewn across the floors.

I can't imagine that it would be difficult for a 3rd-party licensee to add on-board Ethernet, given the roots of the underlying OS.

Has TiVo ever mentioned what percentage of their customers use broadband full-time?

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Pricing of HD-DVR250

Has anyone else heard that the new HD DVR will be $499 for new subs and $699 for existing?

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Re: Pricing of HD-DVR250

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Has anyone else heard that the new HD DVR will be $499 for new subs and $699 for existing?

Only from the same place everone else heard it from.

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Someone emailed me asking if I had heard, so I don't know where everyone else heard it from.

Where did everyone else hear it from?

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quote:
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They did not know if it would support an additional hard drive. No Home Media option is planned. Some aspect ratio control is available (but I couldn't get a demonstration). Hopefully, I'll find someone who knows more on Thursday. More (and pictures) to follow.
Well, I personally don't care about the HMO option, but I take this as a bad sign. Doesn't the 4.0 version of Tivo include this by default? This may mean that DTV is never going to upgrade

Mike - while you're there, can you ask about the USB ports (mainly for ethernet connectivity)?

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Envara has a 2-chip solution that can provide built-in 802.11a/b/g support to a product. Cost is about $35 each in OEM quantities. They also have a 802.11g-only 2-chip solution for about $28 each in OEM quantities.

The Intel 82562 10/100 Ethernet LAN chipset is $6.375 in quantities of 1,000.

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The back panel has the following: HDMI out, Component video out, S-video and composite video out, optical digital audio out, 2-channel analog audio out, 2 satellite inputs, one antenna input, phone jack, serial jack and IR jack.


Um, no USB?

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Where did everyone else hear it from?

Hmmm, the $700 price is kind of reported in this post, and kind of confirmed in this one (I mean confirmed only in that what appears to be two different people got the same info from two different sources, and Dan Collins seems to get decent info on this stuff). I could have sworn I've seen the cheaper price for new customers listed before two, but I'm not sure where. Hell, maybe I started that rumor.

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The reason they have not included a LAN jack is because they opted to include 2 USB ports.


Maybe I missed something in Mike's post, but I didn't see USB in the list of components he had seen. I'm comfortable with USB if that's what they've done and will stop hyperventilating.

(edit...)
Sorry, tfederov... didn't see that you beat me to the "no USB" post...

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Possibly overlooked them.

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It would explain why there were no plans for HMO any time soon!

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Anyone able to confirm this info on pricing? ($499 for New Subs, $699 for Existing)????

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...499#post3158317



If they do that, I'll probably drop Direct TV altogether. I'm fed up of being a long term customer in good standing who gets to subsidize new customers while getting nothing in return.

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