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Darin is offline Old Post 01-12-2004 03:26 AM
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Well, it depends on if my recollection is correct or not. I thought lifetime subscriptions were transferred to the account, not the box, so additional TiVos on that account would also be covered under the lifetime sub, but the boxes sold to another person would not take the lifetime with it. The fact that the HD-Tivo is using HD receivers instead of SD receivers shouldn't matter from the perspective of a TiVo subscription, at least not in my eyes. But someone who knows more about the lifetime subs probably needs to chime in.

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Re: Lifetime

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I have 3 lifetime activations on my 3 Gen1 DirecTivo's - Am I in the Twilight Zone thinking that DirecTV would allow us Lifetimers to transfer our subs to the HDTivo's if we do so within a certain timeframe of release ?

I love my 3 Dtivo's and Timeshift - and Roomshift - to see what I want with the precious few moments I have to watch TV. I would love to be able to migrate all of them to HD - and would, if such a deal were offered.

There's no transfer involved; your "lifetime" status with DirectTV DVR service is now on your account and has nothing to do with your receivers; take them all off, add more, replace some, whatever; lifetime is with your account now, not with any given receiver(s).

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One other question ('cause this is the first I've heard of lifetime switching to the account) if I ever drop DirecTV do I lose that lifetime status?

Can I come back later and get it again?

I'm between jobs right now and dropping DirecTV for a time is on the list at some point to reduce costs. I'll be very unhappy if that means I lose my lifetime status.

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Re: Re: Lifetime

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There's no transfer involved; your "lifetime" status with DirectTV DVR service is now on your account and has nothing to do with your receivers; take them all off, add more, replace some, whatever; lifetime is with your account now, not with any given receiver(s).


Ok - so since I bought 'lifetime' for 3 DVR's - then it will cover any three dvr's (tivo) that I upgrade to ? for the sake of argument, if I added a fourth (not gonna happen) but - would I be required to pay the monthly tivo fee to directv on that one ?

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Re: Re: Re: Lifetime

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Ok - so since I bought 'lifetime' for 3 DVR's - then it will cover any three dvr's (tivo) that I upgrade to ? for the sake of argument, if I added a fourth (not gonna happen) but - would I be required to pay the monthly tivo fee to directv on that one ?


No. Once you pay the lifetime once all future machines are covered.

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Re: Re: Re: Lifetime

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Ok - so since I bought 'lifetime' for 3 DVR's - then it will cover any three dvr's (tivo) that I upgrade to ? for the sake of argument, if I added a fourth (not gonna happen) but - would I be required to pay the monthly tivo fee to directv on that one ?
You're in a special situation. If you had even just one lifetime-subscribed receiver on your account all of your DVR receivers are now eligible for lifetime service; that you had 2 additional lifetime-subscribed receivers, you're kinda losing out financially in a way... maybe you could actually talk DirecTV into spreading the wealth a bit if you gave them good reason.

I sorta doubt you could talk 'em into it, really, but frankly, if it were a relative you wanted to give one too, I might give it a serious try. I might do this in a letter though; it's likely beyond the comprehension of most people you'd ever talk to on the phone at DirecTV.

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3 Lifetime subs? oh man did you get screwed or what? These are all on the same account right? They've always mirrored your Tivo subscription from one box to all of the others provided they're on the same account/phone number. I pay nothing (i have the uberpackage where they waive the fee) but if I didn't I'd pay $4.95 a month for the Tivo subscription and all of my other boxes would mirror off of that one.

I really don't understand your situation, please tell me you have three houses and three separate accounts.

Otherwise it sounds like you got bent over by some clueless DTV reps. I could definitely see them taking your order for a lifetime sub again and again and again cause they don't know any better.

You might even be best off selling two of the units with the lifetime sub (if it's still tied to the box) and buying new units for $99...unless of course you're taking advantage of other functionality on those Series 1 boxes, which then would make all of this a hell of a lot more understandable.

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quote:
Originally posted by Darin
I thought lifetime subscriptions were transferred to the account, not the box, so additional TiVos on that account would also be covered under the lifetime sub, but the boxes sold to another person would not take the lifetime with it. The fact that the HD-Tivo is using HD receivers instead of SD receivers shouldn't matter from the perspective of a TiVo subscription, at least not in my eyes. But someone who knows more about the lifetime subs probably needs to chime in.


I asked a TiVo exec about this at CES. He said that the lifetime is indeed tied to the account, so any boxes you resell or give away do not come with the subscription. If you have lifetime and do not cancel your account, he said you will never pay for TiVo service on DirecTV, even if you add an HD box (or two...). Of course, King Murdoch could change this someday, but it supposedly applied to the HD-DVR250.

It does make sense. Say you had three DirecTiVo boxes on lifetime, and you upgrade and give two of them to two different people. Should they also each get lifetime? By tying it to account, it becomes easier to track.

By the way, I was told that they are planning to add folders in a software upgrade, but that they needed to leave the current version on in order to get the box out on time. Of course, the answer to almost any feature I asked about was "possible future software upgrade" (said with a smile ), but they seemed to mean it when talking about folders, acknowledging how difficult it will be to manage 200+ hours of unsorted programming.

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What about if you have a SA Series 1 with a lifetime sub on it and you switch to Directv, will the lifetime service go over as well? If not, then I assume I can sell the SA including the lifetime sub...right?

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The Stand Alone boxes have nothing to do with DirecTV. Lifetime on a SA is through TIVO... so you can sell the box with the lifetime service.

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Well, it's good to know I wasn't spewing erroneous information. dyanni, I also don't understand why you have three lifetime subs. Even back in the days before the lifetime subs were moved to the account, you STILL only had to pay one TiVo subscription on combo boxes, regardless of how many combo boxes you had (assuming they were all on the same account). In other words, even a couple of years ago you would have only had to buy one lifetime sub to cover all three.

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ok, it's looking pretty dark now. I bought two separate Tivo's for my home, and one for my Dads. I called to activate my Tivo service through DirecTV - and they charged me the 199.00 for lifetime service. Later - For the second activation, they charged me around 250 I think. For my dads DirecTV, he has to go through Pegasus (rural) so that was an additional 250 for lifetime ( which I understand - different account ) But, maybe I did buy the farm on the second DirecTivo at my place.

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I'd call back and ask for a credit. They shouldn't have charged you that on the the second one, just the standard 5$/month mirroring fee. The third one is a separate account, so that's expected.

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Get your money back, QUICK! $250 is 1/4 of the way towards an HD Tivo!

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So trying to sort through 100 hours on Samsung DTivo's isn't enough of a hassle for them to budge on the upgrade for existing units?

quote:
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Of course, the answer to almost any feature I asked about was "possible future software upgrade" (said with a smile ), but they seemed to mean it when talking about folders, acknowledging how difficult it will be to manage 200+ hours of unsorted programming.

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I agree. People who purchase the HD-TiVo are unlikely to fill up their hard drive with 200 hours of SD programming. That's what the current DTiVo is for.

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30 hours of HD could go really quick for me

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I agree. People who purchase the HD-TiVo are unlikely to fill up their hard drive with 200 hours of SD programming. That's what the current DTiVo is for.

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So bottome line:

Early HD DTivo adopter = MSRP or close to MSRP price tag
People willing to wait = even better deals than early adopter

My first DTivo was a S2 on pre-order. I kicked myself in the butt when I found out that the S1 units were pretty much all sold out in the stores when the S1 dropped down to $99. I never thought the S2 DTivo would ever go down below $100. But less than a year after the S2 DTivo was first released, the S2 DTivo could be easily had for sub $100 from both DTV and B&M stores.

I for one will be pre-ordering this baby as soon as it hits the store computers. One of my largest reasons for buying an HDTV set was for an HD DTivo. SD Signal looks pretty bad on my set from my regular HDVR2 DTivo and am praying that the HD DTivo will do an awesome job upscaling these week SD signals to 480p or 1080i.

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I agree. People who purchase the HD-TiVo are unlikely to fill up their hard drive with 200 hours of SD programming. That's what the current DTiVo is for.


Er, bzzt, thanks for playing.

While I absolutely am thrilled to be getting this unit this year, the bulk of our recording will still be mostly SD titles. With two kids between 1 and 4, we record a LOT of kids shows. THAT fills up our current 30 hour limit pretty damn fast as it is. I'll be purchasing an HDTivo and recording maybe 3-4 programs in HD on average as I don't watch much TV. The rest of the queue will be filled with numerous SD shows.

Not everyone watches TV the same way, even in Tivo land.

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quote:
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Er, bzzt, thanks for playing.

While I absolutely am thrilled to be getting this unit this year, the bulk of our recording will still be mostly SD titles. With two kids between 1 and 4, we record a LOT of kids shows. THAT fills up our current 30 hour limit pretty damn fast as it is. I'll be purchasing an HDTivo and recording maybe 3-4 programs in HD on average as I don't watch much TV. The rest of the queue will be filled with numerous SD shows.

Not everyone watches TV the same way, even in Tivo land.



Seems like a very expensive way to get additional SD hours to me.....

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