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All -

I am home now and will spend the next short while updating the first post in this thread with the information and impressions of what I learned today.... so check back in a little while!

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On the scaler issue, the TiVo doesn't have native (passthrough), so what the consensus was to do was set it to the same as your display, unless you want to change it depending on the station you are tuned to every time. You can try both, but most moden receivers, the scaler's pretty good. For my Sony 300, I let it do it, over my Samsung DLP. Can't tell the difference.


If you have a HD Leeza (I do) or similar scaler I recommend sending DVI to it in 1080i. The scaler will rescale it to the ouput resolution selected and deinterlace it.

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From what I could see - I was generally pretty happy with the performance of the scaler in the HD Tivo.... but I was VERY CLOSE to the 60" set and personally am a better judge of this when watching on my own 60" Grand Wega II from 12 feet away.... but I think people will be fairly happy with its performance....

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Thanks. And, btw, thanks for the pictures. I jumped into this thread with my own questions and ignored what you've contributed.

How were you able to leave so soon? I would have been there watching everything in his Now Playing list.

Did you get any insider information on when orders will ship? (not that it affects me, since I ordered from U.E. on 3/31).

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Warrnaty seal on the pics

Anyone notice that there doesn't seem to be a warranty seal on Robert's box?

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Reminds me of a story a friend told me... he bought a Pronto and it came with a free case that shipped seperately. When the case arrived, his wife said, "not only do you need an expensive remote, but now you are buying clothes for it?".


You sure we're not married to the same woman?

My wife is mad because I just got the $99 HD deal from D* to hold me over until the HDTivo gets here. It doesn't matter that I'll sell it for at least $300 in a few weeks. It doesn't matter that I sold my old Panasonic for $350. It doesn't matter that I was also able to solve my OTA antenna issues for no extra cost. All she knows is that I spent another $99.

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You sure we're not married to the same woman?

My wife is mad because I just got the $99 HD deal from D* to hold me over until the HDTivo gets here. It doesn't matter that I'll sell it for at least $300 in a few weeks. It doesn't matter that I sold my old Panasonic for $350. It doesn't matter that I was also able to solve my OTA antenna issues for no extra cost. All she knows is that I spent another $99.



We will NEVER win that battle.

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I notice that the guide data display still shows only 90 minutes of programming info, just like the SD tivo. I was hoping the HD model would make use of the higher resolution (and widescreen) to display more information. Hopefully there will be a future config option to allow a higher resolution display of tivo text.

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How were you able to leave so soon? I would have been there watching everything in his Now Playing list.
He ran out of White Castle's and they kicked him out of the store.

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I notice that the guide data display still shows only 90 minutes of programming info, just like the SD tivo.

I was wondering there, also. My Sony 300 STB shows 2 1/2 hours or more (I forget). A bit limited... I guess it was just moved over from the SD's, hm?

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I notice that the guide data display still shows only 90 minutes of programming info, just like the SD tivo. I was hoping the HD model would make use of the higher resolution (and widescreen) to display more information. Hopefully there will be a future config option to allow a higher resolution display of tivo text.


bcc -

Nope - the guide is exactly the same as existing Tivo's -- not optimized for HD or widescreen....

In a sense this is good -- no need to have 2 sets of screens (HD and SD) -- and uses the existing "code" that makes existing Tivo's as rock solid as they are today.

Aaron

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Are the little format indicators (480p, 720p etc) comming from the TiVo or from the display.

I thought it was from the display until I saw the ones which said "panel" and "full" which are TiVo's words for letterbox etc.

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So, how stretched did the Full screen mode look?

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bpdp379 -

HDMI (the video portion) is electrically the same as DVI -- HDMI only introduces a smaller connector and the ability to pass digital audio over the cable as well.

Aaron



Dumb Newbie Audio Question...

If all the HDMI is introducing is the ability to carry the digital audio, why do I want it if I am sending my digital audio to a receiver with 5.1 speakers.

I dont want to use the internal TV speakers, nor can they take advantage of the the 5.1 audio, so why would I send the audio via the HDMI to the TV ? Wouldn't I want the video to go to the TV and Audio to my receiver ?

This isn't a rhetorical quesiton, I really dont know and I am asking for someone's expertise

Thanks

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You don't want it now as an improvement over DVI. HDMI is really for when receivers have it, do the switching for video, and peel off the audio and send it to the speakers. Not any yet but some are coming real soon at real high prices!

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bcc -

Nope - the guide is exactly the same as existing Tivo's -- not optimized for HD or widescreen....

In a sense this is good -- no need to have 2 sets of screens (HD and SD) -- and uses the existing "code" that makes existing Tivo's as rock solid as they are today.

Aaron



Right that's what I saw too. A bit disappointing as other DIRECTV HD receivers display text at higher resolutions (samsung sir-ts160 for example). I think this would be a good software wish list item. Actually I can think of a whole list myself; time for a new thread?

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Are the little format indicators (480p, 720p etc) comming from the TiVo or from the display.

I thought it was from the display until I saw the ones which said "panel" and "full" which are TiVo's words for letterbox etc.

Those are from the HD DVR.

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So the next Question... Is the scaler built into the HD Tivo better or worse than what's in my Mitsubishi 55413? If I record Friends from DirecTV's NBC local on the HD Tivo and the SD Tivo, which will look better?



You are asking real tough questions... I'll try to relate them to my experience. I have a Hughes HTL-HD receiver that has what I think is a fairly good upconverter. I also have a Hitachi TV that itself has a fairly good upconverter. Which looks better? - beats the hell out of me on my 61" TV. I really think the fact that my SD TiVo is connected via S-Video makes more difference than the upconverters, and even then, I still watch the SD TiVo rather than the Hughes when watching SD D* channels. Not enough of a difference (for me).

I do watch the local OTA HD feeds even for the SD programs (rather than the local D* feeds). These local Atlanta channels do look better in my system OTA... and to be honest with you, most of the shows I watch are in HD in my locals.

Hope this helps,

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So, how stretched did the Full screen mode look?
As stretched as a linear stretch always looks; there's pictures.

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Those are from the HD DVR.


I'm assuming that indicator disappears after a few seconds?

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