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dswallow is offline Old Post 05-05-2004 12:42 AM
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I like your explanation better. I am way to analytical on this to properly break it down...
I'm just thankful there were no birdies involved in the explanation. Much easier to follow that way.

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quote:
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I'm just thankful there were no birdies involved in the explanation. Much easier to follow that way.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cajonkev
I like your explanation better. I am way to analytical on this to properly break it down...


actually Cajonkev- i'd like an even more technical answer!


My question- if they are lauunching on the equator to a spot above the equator, how does time matter at all? Beside crashing into someone else flying at a lower altitude and making sure you can borrow nasa's tracking and control network, what else matters? Its always the same distance-along the same trajectory- to get from launch spot A to orbit spot B if you are flying along the equator- no?

I'm no dope, but i just dont get it.

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quote:
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Has anyone been able to figure out how to record the launch replay? It keeps giving me the Purchasing Info screen like it was PPV, but then it says the is no cost info and doesn't let me record.


You can't get it to record in advance. If you want to save the entire hour, you have to wait until the top of the hour, switch channels and hit "record".

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So they can get this thing in service by the end of June?

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So they can get this thing in service by the end of June?
In the past it's taken generally no more than 30 days from launch to having it in operation. All we have to do is hope no problems arise moving it into the test orbital position at 129°, or deploying solar arrays and antennas, and no problems occur while moving it to 119° once it's tested.

So who's got a spare receiver and dish to point at 129° to see if anything they do for testing is visible?

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quote:
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Has anyone been able to figure out how to record the launch replay? It keeps giving me the Purchasing Info screen like it was PPV, but then it says the is no cost info and doesn't let me record.


Just set up a manual recording (record by time and channel).

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quote:
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In the past it's taken generally no more than 30 days from launch to having it in operation. All we have to do is hope no problems arise moving it into the test orbital position at 129°, or deploying solar arrays and antennas, and no problems occur while moving it to 119° once it's tested.



And now the waiting begins...

Who's for an off-topic post?

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Doug - since the transponders are of the "spot beam" variety, can they also do national?

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Doug - since the transponders are of the "spot beam" variety, can they also do national?
There also are CONUS transponders on DirecTV 7S. It will be operated with 44 transponders broadcast in 30 beams. 7 of the transponders will provide national coverage, 37 will be for spot beams using the other 4 transponder frequencies that DirecTV has licenses for at 119°.

DirecTV currently has 4 HD channels and 34 national SD channels at 119° so that accounts for about 5 transponders of national programming, leaving the bandwidth of 2 national transponders at 119° for new services.

This will potentially support about 444 local channels (at 12 SD channels per transponder, though I see some transponders at 101° having 14 SD channels, which would allow up to 518 channels on the spot beams), 89 of which are already on CONUS transponders at 119° and 54 of which are on CONUS transponders at 101°. So take those 143 existing channels away, and that leaves DirecTV able to add at least 301 channels.

So the ~4.5 transponders at 101° cleared of local channels and the ~2 transponders at 119° that are unused gives DirecTV about 6.5 transponders worth of bandwidth to use for new services.

That's about 13 HD channels or 78 to 91 SD channels or some combination.

DirecTV has announced plans for FOX HD E/W, so that leaves room for 11 HD channels or 66 to 77 SD channels or some combination.

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From a D* news release:

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During the next two weeks, controllers will maneuver the spacecraft into a circular orbit; deploy the antennas and solar arrays; and test operational functions, communications payload and the propulsion system. DIRECTV expects to begin offering services from DIRECTV 7S at the 119 degree west longitude orbital slot by early June.


Looks good for dumping cable in June. And ebaying my SA TiVo.

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So the ~4.5 transponders at 101° cleared of local channels and the ~2 transponders at 119° that are unused gives DirecTV about 6.5 transponders worth of bandwidth to use for new services.

That's about 13 HD channels or 78 to 91 SD channels or some combination.

DirecTV has announced plans for FOX HD E/W, so that leaves room for 11 HD channels or 66 to 77 SD channels or some combination.



518 local channels? I don't remember what D* said about opening up more local markets, but I don't think it was anywhere hear 518 more local channels. Is that bandwidth solely for the LILs?

Ok, 12 potential HD channels. Sorry if you answered this in your post, but do those channels have to be national? If not, any idea how many spot HD channels could they fit in that bandwidth?

There are a lot of folks (including myself ) that want more national HD (Starz, TNT etc), but also need to have local channel HD service. I am hoping major market local HD will be offered soon.

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quote:
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From a D* news release:



Looks good for dumping cable in June. And ebaying my SA TiVo.



Hold on there pahdnah! "Operational" does not mean "new service". It may be quite some time before they fill up the transponders. The timing of the first new services from the 7S is anybody's guess.

It can't happen soon enough, though.

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518 local channels? I don't remember what D* said about opening up more local markets, but I don't think it was anywhere hear 518 more local channels. Is that bandwidth solely for the LILs?

Ok, 12 potential HD channels. Sorry if you answered this in your post, but do those channels have to be national? If not, any idea how many spot HD channels could they fit in that bandwidth?

There are a lot of folks (including myself ) that want more national HD (Starz, TNT etc), but also need to have local channel HD service. I am hoping major market local HD will be offered soon.

DirecTV has said they are planning on the top 30 local markets getting HD locals in 2005; probably utilizing DirecTV 8S, since that's going to launch in 2005.

And read the rest of the paragraph where I said 518 -- that's a max, if the squeezed 14 channels per transponder, which they can do, but it's not their usual of 12 per transponder. So with the 143 channels already carried moving over to the spot beans, they have room for at least 301, and maybe as many as 375 _more_ local channels. They have 42 more markets announced, so that would be an average of 7.1 to 8.9 stations per market. And the nature of spot beams also does mean there'll be some space going to waste since they may not have room to add a local market to a spot beam, because they have to carry all the stations in the market, not just a subset and there may not be enough bandwidth to add one more full market.

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Darn, since I am in DMA #38 I won't see HD locals via satellite.

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DirecTV has said they are planning on the top 30 local markets getting HD locals in 2005; probably utilizing DirecTV 8S, since that's going to launch in 2005.

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quote:
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DirecTV has said they are planning on the top 30 local markets getting HD locals in 2005.


Where are the top 30 defined? Thanks -

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Where are the top 30 defined? Thanks -


Try this link...


http://www.medialifemagazine.com/ne...s1thursday.html

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I would like to see them not add as much, but improve upon the existing PQ. All their commericals say digital quality, but I gotta tell ya that it looks like poop from where I sit. That might be attributable to my 65" set, but the PQ definitely has a lot of room for improvement!! GET RID OF THE SUPER HIGH COMPRESSION!!!


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Darn, since I am in DMA #38 I won't see HD locals via satellite.

Better than being in DMA #127. I get nothing

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DirecTV has said they are planning on the top 30 local markets getting HD locals in 2005; probably utilizing DirecTV 8S, since that's going to launch in 2005.



While this is prolly obvious, is 8S the next to go up? I was thinking that I heard somewhere that there was one going up late 2004??

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