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Dennis Wilkinson is offline Old Post 05-18-2004 09:30 PM
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This is very intersting indeed.

Apple iTunes DOM SDK for Windows Released



Interesting, but not as interesting as it would be if the article on Ars was accurate. Unfortunately, it's not.

Other media players on Windows (and media players on the Mac) can play protected AAC using QuickTime and have been able to for some time, provided they're just letting the Quicktime layer do the playing out to the sound driver and not trying to intercept the uncompressed audio samples themselves.

What this new SDK provides (from looking at the header) seems to be equivalent to the other means of control Mac OS users had over iTunes -- the AppleScript interface to iTunes. Looks to be the same set of data types and functions, just in COM and not OSA form.

In other words, it's still not sufficient to allow TiVo and others to do what they need to with protected AAC.

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This is how I am listening to my iTunes Music Store files on my TiVo:
(You will need a program called Hymn, Your iPod, and iTunes 4.5)

1. Buy songs from iTunes Music Store
2. Quit iTunes (iTunes cannot be open when you plug in the iPod)
3. Plug the iPod directly into the FireWire port on your computer (no other FireWire devices attached)
4. Open Hymn
5. Drag the iTMS files into the Hymn window
6. Click convert.
7. Now you have non-DRM'd AAC files
8. Open iTunes, pull in the non-DRM'd AAC files.
9. Highlight the files in iTunes, and in the Advanced Menu, click Convert to Mp3...
10. The files will convert to Mp3. Delete the AAC files in your iTunes and keep the Mp3's.

You can keep the original AACs if you want. I didn't do any sort of scientific comparison but I can't really tell the difference between an AAC file and an iTunes converted AAC to Mp3 (192 Kbps) file. I know a lot of people feel you shouldn't have to "convert" or "compress" a file you buy to use it the way you want, but that's the reality and that's how to do it.

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Trust us.. we would love to play iTunes Music Store content on TiVo DVRs, but for now Apple doesn't want third party apps/hardware playing the songs (as iTunes 4.5 reinforces). Unlike many of the companies that offered "unofficial" support we need to do things above board. I actually have a large amount of music purchased from iTMS so I want it as bad as everybody else, but not going to happen unless something changes on the licensing side.
Sounds like a good opportunity for TiVo to partner with Apple to help them provide TivoServer functionality to stream DRM-protected and non-protected AAC files directly to the TiVo. This way, they wouldn't have to unprotect the file itself, just provide a stream of it to the TiVo. Apple and TiVo have much of the same customer base, and seem to have some synergies in digital media, and technology investments (both use Linux-based technology stacks). Seems obvious for TiVo to partner with another industry leader like Apple. Surely you guys have had talks to explore possible opportunities?

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Originally posted by iDriveX
This is how I am listening to my iTunes Music Store files on my TiVo:
(You will need a program called Hymn, Your iPod, and iTunes 4.5)

1. Buy songs from iTunes Music Store
2. Quit iTunes (iTunes cannot be open when you plug in the iPod)
3. Plug the iPod directly into the FireWire port on your computer (no other FireWire devices attached)
4. Open Hymn
5. Drag the iTMS files into the Hymn window
6. Click convert.
7. Now you have non-DRM'd AAC files
8. Open iTunes, pull in the non-DRM'd AAC files.
9. Highlight the files in iTunes, and in the Advanced Menu, click Convert to Mp3...
10. The files will convert to Mp3. Delete the AAC files in your iTunes and keep the Mp3's.

You can keep the original AACs if you want. I didn't do any sort of scientific comparison but I can't really tell the difference between an AAC file and an iTunes converted AAC to Mp3 (192 Kbps) file. I know a lot of people feel you shouldn't have to "convert" or "compress" a file you buy to use it the way you want, but that's the reality and that's how to do it.

Thats oviously for mac. You can get it for windows, but there's no GUI interface, you have to do a compand prompt. The one advantage however, is that you don't need an iPod for windows, just mac.

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That's true. Sorry I live in an All Mac World and sometimes I forget there are other OSes and stuff. Sounds self centered, but work is Macs, play is Mac, Home is Mac and I post mainly on Mac Boards. And TiVo is so Apple-Like in some ways, that I forget it's not an Apple product. I guess I'm just one of those Apple apologists that loves everything Apple...

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It would be nice if TiVo just supported more formats than mp3, now that there's a few unencoded formats out there (AAC, Apple Lossless Encoding, Ogg Vorbis, and even WMA). If individuals are confused as to why songs they bought online don't play, that's what makes great FAQ material.

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I wonder what our changes of getting an AirTunes client built into Tivo are. :-)

Air tunes doesn't decrypt AAC encrypted music. From what I Understand it re-encodes everything into Apples Lossless Codec and pushes it over the Ether to a decoder.

If AirTunes was built into the Tivo, and Tivo already has a server on the PC/Mac that can probably very easily control what iTunes is playing etc.... then perhaps AirTunes could be perfect for this application and yet NOT give the AAC Decode sceme to Tivo.

Just a thought.

KC

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I wonder what our changes of getting an AirTunes client built into Tivo are. :-)
KC

Apple just announced their own solution for streaming any iTunes music files from a PC or Mac to your stereo, so it is highly unlikely they'll support TiVo.

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Apple just announced their own solution for streaming any iTunes music files from a PC or Mac to your stereo, so it is highly unlikely they'll support TiVo.


You missed my point... AirTunes is just a Software loaded onto the Hardware (in that case the Airport Express)

I would fully expect that in short order we will see other AirTunes Compliant devices.

KC

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You missed my point... AirTunes is just a Software loaded onto the Hardware (in that case the Airport Express)

I would fully expect that in short order we will see other AirTunes Compliant devices.

KC

Unfortunately as both a software and hardware vendor, Apple doesn't have much incentive to have their software run on non-Apple hardware, other than to gain a foothold into the non-PC entertainment market (which they already have a substantial foothold in ala iPod and now AirPort Express). It would be great though if what you say comes true. I'm all for it

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Problems with Windows conversion

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Thats oviously for mac. You can get it for windows, but there's no GUI interface, you have to do a compand prompt. The one advantage however, is that you don't need an iPod for windows, just mac.


I was successfully able to use the command line interface to Hymn on Windows to convert a protected .m4p file that I purchased into an unprotected .m4a file. When I open that file, though, in iTunes 4.6 for Windows, I'm not given the option to convert my selection into MP3. Only AAC is listed as an option.

Am I doing something wrong, or does the 4.6 version of iTunes not support conversion to MP3?

Are there any other options for converting .m4a files into .mp3 files?

Thanks,
Mike

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Go into iTunes prefrances, click import, and choose MP3. If that's allready selected then I believe iTunes did something in 4.6 to try to beat it again.

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Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure if the import format in settings was referring to the conversion format.

Thanks again,
Mike

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10. The files will convert to Mp3. Delete the AAC files in your iTunes and keep the Mp3's.



I'd agree with everything you are saying except for this step 10. There's no reason to delete the AAC when you are replacing it with a worse sounding MP3. It's cool to use the MP3 for HMO, but for listening on the computer still (or on the iPod) this isn't a good idea.

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