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Registered: Nov 2000
Location: New Orleans
quote:Oh, I understand, and ticket scalping is illegal in some places. I'd rather have the limitation on scalping removed, while having the folks who have the tickets to sell (TicketMaster, etc.) implement a limit per transaction and/or per credit card. That would keep the number of tickets each person could buy down to a small number, which would minimize the professional scalpers' ability to snag a large percentage of the tickets. As it is, scalping laws are a joke anyway, at least here in Louisiana... all you have to do is to sell a ticket along with a trinket, and say that the ticket is being sold at face value, but the trinket costs an extra X number of dollars. That's not scalping. Plus, there's a stupid law that says you can't sell tickets even at (or less than) face value within X number of feet of the Superdome here in New Orleans. That makes no logical sense, except if you're the Saints owner trying to maximize ticket sales.
Originally posted by lark
Just so you understand that there are many out there who don't agree with you.
quote:I don't like car salesmen, but that doesn't mean I'll never sell a car on my own.
I devote considerable effort to having learned many tricks of the trade to get tickets for sporting events and concerts and stuff, and I have never scalped a ticket because it's just something I refuse to do. I do not care for professional ticket scalpers, and I want no part of being like them.
quote:Do you do this just with tickets? Do you ever sell anything else? Do you never try to get the best price that you can? Not that I also don't sell at a discount or give things to relatives or friends, but that's not saying that selling to a stranger for a price they are willing to pay for something is wrong.
I try to sell any extras to people I know want to go to the show and would do the same in return, and as a result, I've virtually never paid more for a ticket and I've never been shut out of an event I wanted to go to, except for a game 6 of the Stanley Cup finals, and that was only because I didn't want to pay more than face value.
Suppose you were part of a community just like this one, except it was devoted to Dave Mathews fans. (Just making this up, I really don't know anything about Dave Mathews or his fans.) He is having a concert at a small venue in New York, and demand is incredible. You've been on the forum for a couple of years speculating about his new albums, concert info, etc., and everyone is convinced he's going to play some great old rarities at this show that never get played. When tickets come out, you need four, but you buy 8 because you figured out how to get them and you know they will sell for a fortune. Others in the Dave Mathews community board got shut out, because they sold out in 15 minutes. You didn't necessarily rely on any info from folks on the message board to get the tickets, but they are your "friends" of sorts, sharing a similar love of something that brings them together. Any problem with you buying 8 and reselling 4 at a profit? Well, that's up to you. Many would say, "the promoter sets the ticket limits, not me," and "this is the american way." Many would be on my side of the fence. Neither side is unreasonable; it's a personal choice about what's important to you.
Your analogy is flawed, however. Instead of a one-time concert with only a fixed number of tickets, change it to being a release of a new Dave Mathews CD. Let's say that some retailer is offering some CDs a little early, at a small discount even. Then I'd agree, like I do for the VE pre-orders, that's it's ethically shaky to buy with the intent of making a profit. But let's say that after the initial pre-order with this CD retailer, the CD starts to slowly percolate throughout other retailers, but demand is still outpacing supply. But I pre-ordered 2 CDs from one of these, and get them pretty early on. So I'm sitting there with an extra CD, and decide I only need one of them. Is it ethically wrong to put it up for auction for the highest bidder? Remember, I ordered from a retailer that was not offering the special early deal for that web community we're talking about. I got mine from Amazon, let's say. Remember also that there isn't a fixed, limited amount of CDs... they're making more as quickly as they can, and supply will eventually catch up with demand.
quote: I guess I see a difference between someone who is hoarding large numbers of a given product (tickets, HD-Tivos, etc.) and someone who just has an extra one or two that they want to sell.
One thing that's interesting about this debate is that in the concert ticket area, attitudes are often dramatically different depending on which band you're talking about. Pearl Jam, for example, has a great fan community that shares info and face-value tickets. The Rolling Stones have many "whatever I can get" fans. Just an observation for an interesting thread. The tivo community forum seems to be somewhere in between!
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