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pigonthewing is offline Old Post 06-24-2004 10:22 PM
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Movie ratings-system Question

Looks like I was late to the last party - about which Daniel was absolutely correct, by the way - but I thought a very interesting point was brought up that no one seemed to question. Well, I, for one, am very curious about it.

I have not seen F/911 (I'm guessing that even the mention of its name is taboo 'round these parts?) so I don't know for myself, but.. what about the film earned its R rating?

I ask because even though I have - as I said - not seen it, it doesn't seem like there would be a lot of language or nudity in it. As for sexuality, I'd have to assume none at all. And you can't possibly earn an R rating for violence alone, can you? I mean, minors are still allowed to watch the 6 o'clock news without parental consent/supervision. So, I guess my question is - what exactly is in this movie?

We're not going to start seeing a "P" next to our L's, N's, and V's in the rating system, are we? (I mean, other than here)

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Here is the yahoo story about the appeal: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...ing_1&printer=1

It looks like the violence is the reason that it go the R.

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Excellent. Thank you.

I'll read that after my lunch break.

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Wow.

Okay.

Uhm, yeah. That's pretty hard-core.

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Speaking of ratings (and slightly off topic). Why is Touching the Void rated R?
I guess that's the wrong question. I know why it's rated R. The F word is used a few times, out of fear and frustration, not in a sexual way. What I'd really like to know is why it's rated R? Nothing else in the movie makes it anywhere near R rated. I guess they should have called it Lord of the Rings: Touching the Void. Then they could have pretty much done anything and still gotten a PG-13.

Our ratings system is totally out of whack.

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As Roger Ebert said, only fictional beheadings are eligible for PG-13 ratings. How do I hate the MPAA, let me count the ways ...

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Refer to the Ebert thread. Never trust the MPAA, you want to know what exactly is in a movie use Screen-It .

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As another example of the MPAA idiots screwing stuff up. The Fog of War is PG-13 even though it could be aired on any TV station in the middle of the afternoon without many cuts. I've seen PBS documentaries and news magazine shows that are more "shocking". We're talking about a movie full of, basically, old news reel footage.

Hell, when I was a kid you could show boobies and curse pretty much all you wanted and still get a PG rating. Now a boob, sometimes even a butt, will get you an R rating and more than a few four letter words assures a PG-13.

Don't even get me started on NC-17!

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Refer to the Ebert thread. Never trust the MPAA, you want to know what exactly is in a movie use Screen-It .


Screenit.com tells you everything you could ever want to know about a movie. It's a great source for parents.

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I'm with the MPAA haters. The one that always got me was the use of the F word. One is ok for PG-13, but as soon as it's uttered again it's usually an automatic R. Here's some interesting examples:

Whale Rider: Rated PG-13 for brief language and a momentary drug reference.

There was a flash of a marijuana pipe. And if I wasn't told to look for it, I wouldn't have even seen it. It was a lovely family film and was kept from younger children because of a non-used "reference" that wasn't even a reference.

Shrek 2: Rated PG for some crude humor, a brief substance reference and some suggestive content.

The substance reference? When Puss-in-boots is shown in the "knights" commercial that spoofed cops, they pull some cat-nip off of him and he claims that it wasn't his. Granted Shrek 1 also had a PG rating for crude humor and suggestive content, I find it funny that the MPAA feels the need to point it out

There is so much wrong with that system it boggles the mind. The other thing is that Valenti has said before that the ratings system is voluntary thing. There have been films that have decided to distribute unrated. Darren Aronofsky was given an NC-17 for Requiem for a Dream. He told the MPAA to stick it and released it unrated because he didn't like the rating. There was some pretty explicit stuff in there, but the movie's message was lost in the rating that the MPAA gave it. The thing is that if you get an NC-17, no theater wants to show it, and the same happens to an unrated film as well.

Instead of sticking to a metric they should have a scale that allows for the subject matter of the movie to be looked at as well as the content and judge it from that point.

(ratings data taken from imdb.com)

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What should have Shrek been rated? G??

They point out the reasonings now becasue there was a demand for that information. People wanted to know WHY it got the rating it got.

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I think Requiem for a Dream should've been rated PG, just so every kid on earth could go to see it. If they watch that movie, the drug problem in this country would be solved.

As for the rules about language, I believe the MPAA has a requirement of no more than 2 F-words in order for a movie to be rated PG-13. Anything more than that, no matter what the context, and it's rated R.

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I think Requiem for a Dream should've been rated PG, just so every kid on earth could go to see it. If they watch that movie, the drug problem in this country would be solved.

As for the rules about language, I believe the MPAA has a requirement of no more than 2 F-words in order for a movie to be rated PG-13. Anything more than that, no matter what the context, and it's rated R.



Agreed on Requiem for a Dream.

On the F-word rule, it's why Billy Elliot got an R rating for multiple uses of the F-word. Here's the various ratings from IMDB on that title:

Certification: Argentina:Atp / Australia:M / Canada:PG / Chile:TE / Denmark:7 / Finland:K-7 / France:U / Germany:6 (bw) / Netherlands:AL / New Zealand:M / Norway:11 / Peru:PT / Portugal:M/12 / Spain:T / Sweden:7 / Switzerland:10 (canton of Geneva) / Switzerland:10 (canton of Vaud) / UK:15 / USA:PG-13 (cut version) / USA:R (uncut version) / Ireland:15 / Singapore:PG

There's a cut version that got a PG-13, but most of the rest of the world let it be shown to younger patrons. If I recal correctly Ebert was pissed about this one almost as much as he was mad at Whale Rider's rating. I think in the case of Whale Rider he was more mad that he was Chided by the MPAA for calling Whale Rider, "A great family film."

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NC-17 is the ultimate stupid rating. Either a movie is for adults or it's not.

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I'm with the MPAA haters. The one that always got me was the use of the F word. One is ok for PG-13, but as soon as it's uttered again it's usually an automatic R. Here's some interesting examples:

Whale Rider: Rated PG-13 for brief language and a momentary drug reference.

There was a flash of a marijuana pipe. And if I wasn't told to look for it, I wouldn't have even seen it. It was a lovely family film and was kept from younger children because of a non-used "reference" that wasn't even a reference.

Shrek 2: Rated PG for some crude humor, a brief substance reference and some suggestive content.

The substance reference? When Puss-in-boots is shown in the "knights" commercial that spoofed cops, they pull some cat-nip off of him and he claims that it wasn't his. Granted Shrek 1 also had a PG rating for crude humor and suggestive content, I find it funny that the MPAA feels the need to point it out

There is so much wrong with that system it boggles the mind. The other thing is that Valenti has said before that the ratings system is voluntary thing. There have been films that have decided to distribute unrated. Darren Aronofsky was given an NC-17 for Requiem for a Dream. He told the MPAA to stick it and released it unrated because he didn't like the rating. There was some pretty explicit stuff in there, but the movie's message was lost in the rating that the MPAA gave it. The thing is that if you get an NC-17, no theater wants to show it, and the same happens to an unrated film as well.

Instead of sticking to a metric they should have a scale that allows for the subject matter of the movie to be looked at as well as the content and judge it from that point.

(ratings data taken from imdb.com)



Whale Rider got a PG-13??????????????? What the hell? I was reading this thread with interest because I don't EVER think of the rating because I don't have to. But seeing that Whale Rider got a PG-13 shocks me quite a bit! What ARE those people at the MPAA doing?

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what does the NC in NC-17 stand for?

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what does the NC in NC-17 stand for?


No Children under 17. They came up with that designation because X was too harsh apparently.

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Troy got an R rating, which kind of puzzled me. They obviously have different standards than they did 10-20 years ago.

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No Children under 17. They came up with that designation because X was too harsh apparently.


I remember that they changed from X to NC-17 because X wasn't copyrighted. Porno companies would use "X", "XX", "XXX", etc. without even using the MPAA thus skipping payment to the MPAA.

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And I thought they came up with NC-17, because X became synonymous with porn, and no mainstream film was willing to accept an "X" rating and be thought of as porn. (Not that they're willing to accept an NC-17...)


Anyway, here's an interesting article that discusses the origin of the NC-17 rating.

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