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net114 is offline Old Post 06-15-2002 02:00 AM
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Enterprise loses 60% of viewers from start to finish

Well, its true. Hate to be the one to say it, but those who have been saying they do NOT like Enterprise, now have the facts to back themselves up.

Enterprise started with 12.5 million viewers, and ended with 5 million or so. Averaged 6.7 million. Dropping 58% in viewership by season's end.

Compare this to other scifi shows-- Smallville dropped 32% I think it was from start to finish. This doesn't say whose ratings are better overall, just how many people left the show who were once watching.

(Overall ENT gets #3 spot in the scifi category in terms of ratings-- and most shows averaged 30% drop in viewers or so. Enterprise doubled the number of viewers who left to the show.)

Boreman and Braggee are really driving Trek into the ground...of course, ENT is NOT Trek, right? They took away the title...

Here's the link: (it's like 9 pages of info though...)

Enterprise ratings

PS: I still like ENT, mainly because of Bakula...but I really, really want to be MOVED by an episode...like "The Inner Light" on TNG....

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Can't say I'm surprised.

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Is that show STILL ON?!?


LOL...guess they deserve that.

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I'll admit, so far the show is not as good as the original, TNG or Voyager, but it's much better than DS9 and is better than about 90% of the other crap on television. I find it entertaining, and will keep my SP for it.

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It's been a while since I gave Enterprise the heave-ho but it was the episode where they go to some sort of Vulcan "temple/sanctuary". That was quite possibly the lamest episode of any show ever.

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Hmm, not as good as Voyager? i wasn't sure there was any show that fit that category. I tried, Lord I tried, but I just couldn't get myself to care about Voyager.

I like Enterprise. Just like. I enjoy watching it but if I miss an episode its no biggie (that of course is no longer an issue...thank you TiVo!)

Must admit to being a little surprised at the remark from Spartanstew placing Voyager (and apparently a great deal more) above DS9. While I will admit the first part of the run was on about the same level as Enterprise, I really enjoyed those last few seasons as the war heated up (despite the fact that I could never disentangle the show from B5 concept wise in my mind -- all that about the great Paramount ripoff and what not). Nonetheless, if I had to choose, I would take DS9 over Voyager in a heartbeat.

Bah, maybe I should have given Voyager more of a chance, I am big enough to say that. I probably missed something!

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I thought it started great, but boy they had a couple of real snoozers toward the end. And someone reported here that troubled UPN slashed the budget early in the season (shades of the last season of the original Trek series?) Still, the season finale was really cool.

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OK - I guess when it comes to Enterprise I'm a koolaid drinker. We really *tried* to like it. Some good episodes and the characters are starting to come to life. We'll keep our SP for next season and hope it improves. Unfortunately, if Scott Bakula continues sleepwalking his way through the role of Captain Archer, it's doubtful.

Is this the end of Star Trek?

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So what? How many people didn't even watch the original Startrek the first time around. As I understand it, it was much more popular in re-runs than it was the first time round.

I know that I for one didn't even get in to it until it had been in re-runs for many years.

Anyway, I like Enterprise and don't really care about the stats. Just like the movie critics, they don't really mean anything to me.

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That's kind of true, the audience grew and grew in syndication, obviously a lot of us weren't even born during it's airdate that grew up practically worshipping the reruns. However, the show was supposedly partially what spurned the obsession with demographics. NBC practically killed the show because despite healthy ratings they just didn't understand it, so they moved it to a bad timeslot and slashed the already miserable budget. That's why the last shows often wound up on an old western or gangster movie lot, they were penniless and had to use existing studio backlots. Anyway long story short after the cancellation of the show someone analyzed the ratings and discovered the show was #1 most-watched among 14-29 year-old males (don't quote me on the exact age range), and we all know now that's the most sought after demographic by advertisers.

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So if I archive some episodes I might enjoy them in 20 years?

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Dunno how this will turn out, but has anyone actually recently watched first year episodes of TNG? Painful.

They had a lot of slack due to pent up demand. 5th series = no slack.

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Dunno how this will turn out, but has anyone actually recently watched first year episodes of TNG? Painful.

They had a lot of slack due to pent up demand. 5th series = no slack.




Yes, I hate to say it, but I have to agree with you.

Some of the original shows were pretty bad by todays standards. You have to consider what the alternatives were back then. Lost in Space is the only other Sci-fi series that I can think of and it turned out to be more of a comedy.

I still find myself attracted to watch many of TOS episodes though.

I also find that my viewing habits of The Next Generation have been about the same. When it first came out I watched a few episodes and then bailed out on it. I am just now begining to record and watch the shows in reruns.

In fact, Enterprise is the first Startrek since the original that I have watched since its beginning. Perhaps this is due to TiVo, that is certainly part of it. Perhaps my lack of envolvement with TNG, Deep Space 9, Voyager etc is why I am able to enjoy Enterprise.

I like the idea of a modern animated series. I'd snap a SP on that ASAP. Something computer animated like Max Steal. Heck, maybe they should come out with a roll your own Startrek kit so some of these critics could write their own episodes.

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I never really liked the original Star Trek (blasphemy!). It was just too 70's for my taste. I really liked TNG though in high school and college. I have never managed to really get into any of the other series, although I did watch Voyager on occasion and it looked like it was a good show. So that is 3, and Deep Space 9 makes 4, which I never saw. I watched the first episode of Enterprise and it was kinda lame.

I do like Scott Baccula though, or at least I liked him back in Quantum Leap years ago. That was a fun show.

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You know what's really sad? Like Zirak said, the first season of TNG was aweful (until about the last 3 episodes). Why? Because Gene had his way with it. He wanted the "Everybody's happy in the future, there is no God, everybody has wild and crazy sex". When did the show really pick up? Season 2. When Berman took over.

Problem is, Berman isn't too creative. He's been pounding the same lame storylines into the ground ever since season 2 of TNG. DS9 (not a favorite of mine) was unique because of the different production team. Voyager and Enterprise are Berman's babies, though, and it shows.

Trek's savior is currently killing it. How's that for irony...

BTW, back on topic, I've still got my SP for Enterprise, but I've stopped watching it. Never did catch the season finale. Just like my Junkyard Wars SP (darn you Tyler!), I've stopped making the time.

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I watched the show the first half of the season. I got really bored with it and quit watching it. I guess I'm part of the 50% that left.

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I disagree with Doom1701.

I think the problem with TNG was the "we want to avoid the cast splintering that occurred on TOS, so rather than have 3 main characters and everyone else subordinate, we'll rotate the focus every week so each character gets a show built around them". "Oh look, it's Troi week on TNG" was a common phrase (that and "Counselor Cleavage"). They kept that up for the entire run, but at least by season 3 they had established the characters enough that the writers had a handle on them and they didn't have stupid things like Troi interrupting the captain during combat to warn him that "The crew is feeling apprehensive, Captain".

After Gene died, TNG went downhill and the last year was easily as bad as the first (in fact, I argue that "Clues" is the worst episode of ANY version of Trek, EVER, taking the title from "The Way to Eden" handily, though the "warp drive is bad for space" episode, who's title I forget, comes close). On the other hand, in spite of awkward writing, the first season has much promise. Continuity from episode to episode, a first for Trek. Creative use of the Holodeck to show solutions to boredom in space (though this devolved into the Holodeck Show, it didn't start that way). Characters with personality quirks (Picards dislike of children, that all but disappeared later). There is much promise in season one. Plot threads showing up in one episode that are resolved much later.

In fact, if they hadn't shown all the "Wesley Crusher embarasses the crew by being better at their jobs than they are" episodes in a row, even the first season wouldn't be held in as low regard as it is usually described.

It is interesting that "The Measure of a Man", my personal favorite Star Trek episode of all time (it is so much the ESSENCE of Trek) is a second season episode while "Clues", the worst episode ever, is season 4. I think that says more about variable quality of writing on a production TV show than it does about Roddenberry or Berman.

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Well, if Paramount didn't own the network, Enterprise would likely have been cancelled. It's the flagship show of the network.

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Ok Ereth, what was your problem with "Clues"? I don't see what's wrong with that episode.

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Ok Ereth, what was your problem with "Clues"? I don't see what's wrong with that episode.


I have to agree with Uther (great name, btw)..."Clues" is bad?? No way! That's one of my favorite episodes. Are you sure you're talking about the one where the aliens wipe everyone's memory and only Data remembers visiting the alien planet? Great, great episode. I'd really like to know what is so bad about it myself.

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