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ebeighe is offline Old Post 06-28-2004 09:56 PM
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turn off tivo

I want to turn off my Tivo when i'm not using it.
(apparently there is no way to do this?)

Seems like a reasonable thing to want to do.

Since it runs continuously, it get hot -- partially because i put it inside a cabinet. I put it in a cabinet because it makes noise all the time. because i can't turn it off.
(by the way, it "runs" very quietly. It's just that i expect things to not make ANY noise when I'm not using them).

Assuming there is no way to turn it off -- what is the approved method of safely powering down? it seems like sooner or later just pulling the plug is going to cause a problem since disk is being accessed almost constantly.

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TiVos are designed to run all the time. That makes sense - if you turn them off, they can't record shows for you when you aren't there. You can put the unit in Standby, but it's still really running and can still record even then.

I've been a PC hardware guy for decades, and it's my experience that stuff is better left on all the time than turned on and off every day. It uses more energy, but the components last longer because they're stressed less (by both power on/off and temperature changes).

If noise is the problem then putting the TiVo in a case is okay, just make sure the ventilation is good so the TiVo doesn't overheat. TiVos do run a little warm, low 40's C by their internal temperature display is normal, anything higher than mid 40's is cause for concern.

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I think what you want is called a VCR.
Are you having the TiVo record shows for you? From your post....I'm not sure that your TiVo would EVER have anything recorded. If the only time you want it on is when you use it.....then that must mean the only time it can record is when you are using it and it's on?

If you have it in a case....make sure you have decent ventilation. Check the temperature (TiVo -> Messages & Setup -> System Information). As JPriller said....if that number is in the high 40's C, then it probably needs more fresh air.

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"(by the way, it "runs" very quietly. It's just that i expect things to not make ANY noise when I'm not using them)."
Hmmmm, my guess is you don't have any kids, and quite possibly not a spouse!

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Re: turn off tivo

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Originally posted by ebeighe
I want to turn off my Tivo when i'm not using it.



No you don't.

quote:

Seems like a reasonable thing to want to do.



No, it isn't

How can the TiVo record all the shows you ever watch if it's turned off?

BTW, pulling the plug is the approved method of powering off a TiVo, when, for instance, you're moving to another apartment. Unlike the evil Windows, this does nothing to corrupt TiVo's file system.

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quote:
Originally posted by JPriller
TiVos are designed to run all the time. That makes sense - if you turn them off, they can't record shows for you ...

I've been a PC hardware guy for decades, and it's my experience that stuff is better left on all the time than turned on and off every day....

If noise is the problem then putting the TiVo in a case is okay, just make sure the ventilation is good so the TiVo doesn't overheat. ...anything higher than mid 40's is cause for concern.



[sorry, this got long]

Thanks for all the ideas... but you all seem to have misconstrued what I mean by "turn off". Yes, I want it to behave the same way my VCR behaves (so don't tell me its too expensive or whatever). If it's got a job to do it turns itself on! And when its done, it turns itself "off" (which is really more like standby).

I just measured the power consumption of my Toshiba DVD combo unit, I was pleasantly surprised to find it's only ~ 20Watts. But my gripe, of course, is that it's mainly waste for me (say 1 hour recording, 1 hour watching per day is over 90% waste) I pay twice for heat here because I typically have to pay again to air condition it away. Others I'm sure have a much lower waste ration, but my point is Tivo shouldn't force it on me. My gripe about the power goes hand-in-hand with the noise.

To put it in perspective, according to the sticker on my new refrigerator, it uses 500 and some odd kW per year, 20W continously is 175kW. I find it unconscionable that Tivo would put design such a product leaving me no recourse except to "pull the plug" (and hope that I remember to plug it back in when something is scheduled to record)

My power complaint isn't just my one little puny Tivo, it's the (presumably) tens of millions of units that they would like to have. The Tivo is, i see now, a profligate waster of standby power: "According to studies for the Energy Department by the Berkeley National Laboratories, standby wastes the equivalent of the power generated by 26 average-size power plants in the USA alone"

WHAT I think Tivo SHOULD DO proposal -- Level 1:
(This would be free / minor software changes)...
(Optionally) allow the user to turn off constant recording on suspend, and allow the disk to spin down. This MAY be enough of a power savings so that the fan wouldn't need to run when suspended(?).

WHAT I think Tivo SHOULD DO proposal -- Level 2 (the right way):
do an actual power management scheme. this may require in addition to software changes hardware mods. The fan and disk would not spin in suspend, there would be no need for cooling since the power drawn would be only ~5W.

Finally, regarding the off/on stress on electronics -- I think that may be an "old engineers tale", being an old engineer myself :-), maybe I should just say urban legend :-)
Anecdotally, I've had e.g. solid state TV's that have lasted well over 10 years, power cycled many many many times. My computers cycle daily for years. My computer's hard disk suspends itself dozens of times DAILY and I may use a drive for a couple of years. In other words, whether or not the stress shortens lifespan of electronics, I don't think it does so *materially*.
The temperature of my Toshiba DVD/combo unit says up to 59C when inside a cabinet (sounds hot) but outside the cabinet it hangs around 50C (ambient air temp ~ 80F), but still above the 40's that was suggested.

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Re: Re: turn off tivo

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No you don't.



No, it isn't

How can the TiVo record all the shows you ever watch if it's turned off?

BTW, pulling the plug is the approved method of powering off a TiVo, when, for instance, you're moving to another apartment. Unlike the evil Windows, this does nothing to corrupt TiVo's file system.



I guess I don't understand why there are so many sarcastic replies to what seems like a reasonable request. Pre-TiVo, my TV room was absolutely quiet. Now its not. Its not a terrible noise, but still, what was once silence is now a soft hum. Trying to find a way around that seems reasonable to me.

As does some sort of standby mode where the disk and fan go to sleep until needed. I find I rarely record anything during the day, so an option to put the TiVo to sleep during the day would be most welcome. Like my computer - it goes to sleep when I am not using it. Saves energy, restores the silence.

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quote:
Originally posted by ebeighe
Finally, regarding the off/on stress on electronics -- I think that may be an "old engineers tale", being an old engineer myself :-), maybe I should just say urban legend :-)
I admit I don't have any hard evidence, but anecdotally I can't count the number of times I've turned off some piece of equipment that'd been ticking over just fine for years, only to turn it back on later and find that something had broken.

I'm staying with my "don't turn things off" religion.

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quote:
Originally posted by ebeighe

The temperature of my Toshiba DVD/combo unit says up to 59C when inside a cabinet (sounds hot) but outside the cabinet it hangs around 50C (ambient air temp ~ 80F), but still above the 40's that was suggested.



This has been mentioned in other threads - I think the normal operating temperature for the Toshiba combo unit is higher than that for standalone units. Mine, which sits alone on a wooden shelf with 4-8" clearance on all sides in an air-conditioned room, consistently runs at 48-51C, which it labels normal. Others have posted similar observations, so the ~50C outside of the cabinet sounds about right.

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quote:
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This has been mentioned in other threads - I think the normal operating temperature for the Toshiba combo unit is higher than that for standalone units. Mine, which sits alone on a wooden shelf with 4-8" clearance on all sides in an air-conditioned room, consistently runs at 48-51C, which it labels normal. Others have posted similar observations, so the ~50C outside of the cabinet sounds about right.
The "okay" temps I quoted were for stand-alone TiVos (series 1 or 2) and are pretty close for "Series 2" DirecTiVos. Series 1 DirecTiVos ran somewhat hotter, 50C would be about right for those. I don't have any experience with what's really normal for the DVD combo units.

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Re: turn off tivo

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I guess I don't understand why there are so many sarcastic replies to what seems like a reasonable request. Pre-TiVo, my TV room was absolutely quiet. Now its not. Its not a terrible noise, but still, what was once silence is now a soft hum. Trying to find a way around that seems reasonable to me.

As does some sort of standby mode where the disk and fan go to sleep until needed. I find I rarely record anything during the day, so an option to put the TiVo to sleep during the day would be most welcome. Like my computer - it goes to sleep when I am not using it. Saves energy, restores the silence.

Ah, I see where the confusion is in this thread. This is a suggestion to Tivo that they redesign the unit to go into a timed "sleep" state during periods on an hour or more when there is nothing scheduled to be recorded. Probably reasonable. However, it was posted in the wrong forum. There is another one for suggestions. This one is for help with an issue. If the issue is "how can I turn off or should I turn off my Tivo during periods of inactivity", then yes, you can but no, you probably should not because it will not be able to do other, non-scheduled things, like daily call and record suggestions, if you want it to. Tivo is currently an appliance best used if on all the time. If you would like to make a suggestion on how Tivo could be made better, please post in the correct forum.

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quote:
Originally posted by JPriller
The "okay" temps I quoted were for stand-alone TiVos (series 1 or 2) and are pretty close for "Series 2" DirecTiVos. Series 1 DirecTiVos ran somewhat hotter, 50C would be about right for those. I don't have any experience with what's really normal for the DVD combo units.


Out of curiosity I checked my Toshiba SD-H400 - it says 58C (Normal).

Seems kind of warm for "normal".

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Re: Re: turn off tivo

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Ah, I see where the confusion is in this thread. This is a suggestion to Tivo that they redesign the unit to go into a timed "sleep" state during periods on an hour or more when there is nothing scheduled to be recorded. Probably reasonable. However, it was posted in the wrong forum.
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yes, i see that now. When i began, though, i was actually thinking that there MUST be some way to hush the thing (short of pulling the plug), and i just couldn't find it... so I asked here.
I will re-post something in the suggestions after i've lived with it for awhile.

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I have a DirecTivo and it has a standby
button on the front. It will still record
all your shows in standby it just doesnt
record live TV.

FWIW, I press the standby button every
time I shut the TV off.


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