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Originally posted by marcusinaustin:
Hey "DR." I think those 16hour days in the ER are getting to you. Have a drink and chill. This isn't Crossfire, you don't have to get worked up about it. If some people want the "free space" let them want it, why does it seem to get under your skin so much? It's just a silly forum.
Don't worry, I'm not getting worked up. I'm simply trying to make people understand that what they are asking for is not what they think it is. Don't mistake my verbosity for agression or irritation, it's just how I am. I just can't seem to make brief posts.
Originally posted by gwwilhelmjr:
The gas gauge on my car shows how full the tank is NOW, not how full it will be if I keep on driving, rest awhile, get out and push, or stop at the next filling station.
Let's continue with this....
How upset would you be if you got in your car, saw that you had half a tank of gas, drove ten miles out of town, and RAN OUT OF GAS! For one, I would be upset that my gas gauge didn't function. And it's not just that my gas gauge is "faulty", it's designed that way!
This is exactly what you would get with a simple "free space indicator". The number it would give would not have any bearing on reality after a couple of hours if anything was schedualed to record.
The whole reason that I bring up these points and ask questions (some of which are simply being ignored) is to TRY to open a discussion that might actually result in something. I'm not just saying "It's a bad idea, drop it." If that was the case, I wouldn't continue posting. However, I can't think of a single way to actually salvage this idea. The closest thing would be the "how long until TiVo would delete something (non-suggestion)". No one is saying, sure, that would be better.... they are simply defending a broken concept with a minimum effort of actually refuting my points.
This is a simple request for really simple information that clearly must already exist within the system. How/if I might find it useful is really no cause for argument.
This is totally wrong. How useful the information is extremly important when it comes to if TiVo should add something. If the information is:
.... would adding the information be a good thing? You can't expect TiVo to add something simply because _you_ want it. I still contend that you don't understand the true nature of what you are asking. The fact that you won't actually produce a single use for the information prevents the conversation from being productive.
If you do not find it useful, then, by any means necessary, don't look at that part of the screen. I'm not sure what's more annoying - your having to ignore information you claim not to want, or my having to defend my desire to see those parameters. [/B]
Feel free not to justify your position, that's your choice.
Now, since this post has been derailed from actually discussing the topic at hand and is being made personal, I will attempt to get the discussion back on track.....
Why a simple "free space indicator" won't work and why "when will (!) items start getting deleted" would.
First, to state what I hope is obvious, the only point of "free space" is to record programs. Whether they are schedualed, spontaneous or a TiVo suggestion is not relevant to the points I will make.
Ok, now what it the _concept_ behind a "free space indicator". The concept would be that it would let you know that you can record more stuff. For example, "3 hours free" would mean that you can record up to three hours more.
Unfortunatly, TiVo is not that simple. Every single item on the To Do list has allocated a "window" of time, both in HD space and duration of that space. Unless you have a very short To Do list, your To Do list will probably exceed the capacity of your drive. Every time TiVo records, it automatically uses free space if available.
Now, if your TiVo says, "You have 3 hours of free space" and you tell it to record a one-hour show, you might expect it to just say "Ok..." and you probably wouldn't expect it to tell you how it has to delete things to make space. But it would....
Why would it have to delete things if you have free space? The answer is simple, you only have that space free AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME. To make a recording, TiVo not only wants you to have that space free now, but it also wanted that space to be free for the next few DAYS. That's why a free space indicator wouldn't work. To know if you really have "free space", you would need to know the "free space" over the period of time you plan on keeping the recording. TiVo has NO WAY of knowing this....
TiVo could say it has 6 hours free, it could say that it has 2 hours free, regardless of what it free "at the moment", to use the space, TiVo will have to decrease the duration of other shows. It's not really about "space", it's about "time". To have anything useful (and to not simply be misleading, which is bad), the TiVo would have to give you a map of free space over time.
Of course, even that becomes meaningless if you actually watch and delete things. If someone could actually demonstrate a valid use for a free space indicator, then I wouldn't mind the suggestion. However, since such an indicator would actually be very misleading, it would be a bad idea....
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