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jschuur is offline Old Post 06-15-2004 12:05 PM
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The Casino 6/14

Could this possibly be the most scripted, un-scripted show ever?

There is no way all of that went down with all the cameras just happening to be around.

Still, I like the theme and it was entertaining. Going to be keeping my season pass, but not believing a single thing I see is actual reality

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I agree, it all seemed very contrived. I'll still watch though since I like gambling/vegas/casino's. You think that high roller really hooked up with the "girl"?

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Crap I thought this was last night but my Tivo didn't record it. I'd swear I double checked the SP list to make sure it would catch this. Ah well. Guess I'll download it from Suprnova when I get home.

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I was thinking the same thing. How could they be waiting at the airport for this high roller guy and following those kids if it wasn't at least partly staged. I think perhaps they have set these people to come up ahead of time and then follow them around to see what happens.

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I am very surprised that MB put his name on this. The whole thing felt staged and I'd really hate for shows like this to bring down the Survivor franchise.

I'll watch it for one more week and see how it goes.

I did like the premier of American Casino though.

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Re: reality?

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edit added: the night really was a complete dissapointment. The Casino was completely contrived,


Spoiling other shows in a thread? Baaaaaaaaaddddd

I thought it was OK.. I know that no reality shows are unscripted, so I take it with a grain of salt.. the bit about the girl being a dude was hilarious, and I felt bad for that singer who is very talented but has to work for an a$$hole who is turninig it into a Karaoke show...

I also felt bad for Rob who didn't get any...

Edited to remove TVDude's spoilers

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The show wasn't bad, but it did feel contrived. Of course, the scenarios are all very plausible for Las Vegas, but I'm not convinced they were all 100% genuine. Surely they knew in advance about the guys helping out their virgin friend, and about the professional, card counting gambler.

It would not surprise me at all if Mark Burnett had a casting call, looking for a group of guys, a professional card counter, etc. Still, the scenarios are certainly real. Card counter guys exist, and Casinos watch them like hawks, just like they did in the show. I'll keep the season pass for now. See where the show goes.

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But if the guy was a real card counter wouldn't he just be banned from the casino for life? Why allow him to play?

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quote:
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But if the guy was a real card counter wouldn't he just be banned from the casino for life? Why allow him to play?
They were watching him to see if he was card counting, and could clearly tell that he was watching women more than cards. That being the case, they want him to play to blow all that money in their casino. I'm sure if he was really raking it in by counting cards, he would have been banned.

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Personally, I enjoyed the show. Granted, some of the bits were obviously scripted/pre-planned/contrived, but it still makes for some entertaining viewing. I don't look at the show as a documentary on casino life. I see it as a semi-scripted reality TV show. As long as it's entertaining, that's all that matters to me.

I couldn't stop laughing last night when the card counter kept commenting on the "woman's" deep voice. Oh man, that was great.

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Big to TVdude for partially spoiling the WB Superstar outcome.

This show seemed so scripted it bordered on absurd. Maybe the casino didn't know the card counter was coming, but ya think they might be suspicious when some guy with wads of cash shows up with one of Burnett's camera crews following him? BTW, from everything I've heard/read, professional card counters try to keep a LOW profile. Their whole purpose in life is not to get noticed, so they will normally dress in plain clothes and have an "act" that helps to cover their counting. This guy was a joke, and if he's a professional counter I can't believe he actually acts that way when the cameras are not on him, or else he'd be banned from every casino in the US.

I was so jaded that when the Lt. Governor or whoever came up to sing, I wondered if that too was a Burnett setup to cause some tension between Sinatra boy and "I'm the boss" man.

One thing I did like was the picture quality as compared to other reality shows. Did they use film instead of video?

I will keep watching, because I'm a fan of Burnett and downtown Vegas (I've stayed in the Golden Nugget, though it was a little too "convalescent home" for me), but the scripted stuff needs to be toned way down.

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I overall liked the show too...it was scripted but still interesting. The one thing that bugged me was the voiceovers that didn't match the voices, or clearly they were hiding their lips so they could make the guy say whatever they wanted. That was annoying on The Apprentice and is still annoying here.

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quote:
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But if the guy was a real card counter wouldn't he just be banned from the casino for life? Why allow him to play?


well, they may ban people like that from playing 21, but they would probably let them play craps, or slots, or roultette, or whatever.

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Why ban them for card counting.... it is not illegal.

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Why ban them for card counting.... it is not illegal.
It really puts the odds in favor of the player if they can card count. The house really hates that because they are out to make money, not give it away

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Casinos can't prosecute for card counting, but they have every right to refuse the business of a known counter.

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quote:
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One thing I did like was the picture quality as compared to other reality shows. Did they use film instead of video?



They are actually filming the entire series in true HD, however FOX has not begun to broadcast in HD yet. Right now you are seeing whats known as EDTV Enhanced definition, basically widescreen 480p instead of standard definition 4:3 480i.

They will broadcast this in HD (720p) later in the season when FOX begins its new HD push. This is the first reality show to be filmed in HD, however it will not be the first broadcast in HD, Mark Cuban's The Benefactor, will be the first all HD reality show broadcast in true HD.

I dont know what kind of set you are watching on but thats cool if you are watching on a standard def set and can see a difference...

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I am not sure why some people are suprised by this. Anyone who watched the Restaurant knows Mark Burnett will not hesitate to stage things.

I didn't notice it in The Apprentice as much, but I assumed it happened too, because they have reshot things in Survivor before.

I am sure the storyline parts are set up in advance at least the ones we have seen so far. I imagine they put out information asking people who planned to go to Vegas and probably put them through some sort of interview process.

That being said, the high roller story line was funny because they guy is such an idiot.

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I dont know what kind of set you are watching on but thats cool if you are watching on a standard def set and can see a difference...
I was watching on an SD set (don't have HD TiVo yet, and I'm incapable of watching reality shows live ). I could definitely notice a difference even on SD. Total different visual quality than video tape. Do you know if they're using HD cameras, or are they filming it and then transferring to EDTV? That would be awesome if we could get Survivor in HD.

I was coming up with conspiracy theories as I watched it. I guessed that perhaps they were using film for this show, and film is more expensive than video tape. Similar theory applies for HD cameras. Thus, it's much more expensive to have cameras everywhere, catching every little moment like they do on shows like Survivor and The Real World. A casino is also much larger than most reality TV settings. Not enough cameras to capture the action, I was thinking that's why it was so scripted.

What confuses me is that Burnett is a master of this genre. How could he not know that viewers would roll their eyes when they cut to some random guy in an office answering his phone. It was obvious they didn't have a camera on this guy 24/7 just waiting for something to happen, the phone call was planned in advance. If The Apprentice was scripted, it was done much better. The Casino premier was not much more convincing than The Simple Life. I was still entertained, I just expect more from Burnett.

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Do you know if they're using HD cameras, or are they filming it and then transferring to EDTV? That would be awesome if we could get Survivor in HD.



They are using HD cameras, no film transfer or anything like that. I'm sure when fox goes HD you will be able to tell what cameras are in HD and which are not pretty easily.

The Benefactor however will be 100% HD. Even small hidden cameras will be in HD. That was the difficulty of having a reality show in HD, there are so many more cameras needed then, say, the Tonight Show. So it is expensive...

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