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Raj is offline Old Post 03-26-2003 05:07 PM
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Here's an overview of both formats:

http://www.dvdrhelp.com./dvd

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DVD-RAM is compatible with drives and players that explicitly support DVD-RAM. That means selected Panasonic models. Just try reading a DVD-RAM disc on an ordinary DVD player that doesn't explicitly claim to support DVD-RAM. Your success rate will be zero. At least DVD-RW and DVD+RW are readable on at least half of such players (newer models are more likely to work.)

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I bought a Sony DRU500a combo unit for work but I'm waiting to see how LiteOn's combo unit is like before I buy one for personal use. I burn enough DVDs that the current difference in cost between DVD-R and DVD+R is sufficient to make me want to use a combo unit only since I don't want to be stuck with a DVD-R only unit when DVD+R overtakes DVD-R (yes, I'm predicting the demise of DVD-R. ).

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Do you know when the LiteOn combo drive will be out? I suspect it will drive the prices down.

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quote:
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The Sony drive is an excellent all-around drive (I have one)


Steve,

So based on your experience, which format do you usually burn? And is it 100% of the time, or do you choose the format based on your need?

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Since I have a bunch of +R and +RW discs, I haven't had the opportunity to try -R discs. People on the dvdplusrw.org forum often use -R with this drive and have no problems.

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I've burned +R, -R, and +RW with the Sony drive.

I've probably burned about 50 discs so far and have only had no coasters.

The majority of my burning is with -R.

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Bryan, You would be a good one, then to answer the other side of the question. Stevel has, rather eloquently I think, made the case that +R/+RW is superior. Since you mostly burn -R, I would be curious as to your reasoning? There must be a reason for -R, given all the good things +RW has going for it?

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quote:
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Bryan, You would be a good one, then to answer the other side of the question. Stevel has, rather eloquently I think, made the case that +R/+RW is superior. Since you mostly burn -R, I would be curious as to your reasoning? There must be a reason for -R, given all the good things +RW has going for it?

Well, I'm afraid I'll never be as eloquent as Stevel.

I do most of my burning for video work. I've found that, percentage wise, +R and - R are going to have the same non-play rates on DVD players. So I just burn -R because it's a bit cheaper and I think it works just as well for DVD playback as +R.

I tell everyone I burn disks for (-R or +R) that it really needs to be played on a player that's within 2 years old to ensure compatibility.

Although, I've got a 5 year old player that I test all my disks on.

The only times I've burned +R disks are when clients specifically request them. And in those cases it's usually because they have access to a +R burner themselves or have only ever used +R.

I think both sides of the fence are good. I've had need for both formats so I really like the combo drive.

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Please note that for write-once formats, there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between -R and +R. It's the rewriteable formats where the differences show themselves.

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Please note that for write-once formats, there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between -R and +R. It's the rewriteable formats where the differences show themselves.

Yeah, I don't do any rewritable except for DVD testing before I burn a -R/+R.

And for that I just use the +RW disk that came with the drive. It's worked great time and time again.

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Is there an .iso-like format where you could (for example) use a standalone recorder (say, the DVD-R985) to make a DVD+R, then copy that to a file on your hard drive, which you could then burn back to either a DVD-R or DVD+R (assuming a combo drive) based on the compatibility where you are going to play it?

I ask because I have no video input to my computer. So I am going to record TV onto a standalone unit (probably the DVD-R985, but I haven't pulled the trigger yet). However, this conversation reminds me that just maybe I couldn't loan that DVD to my sister, because her player might not do DVD+R, and I haven't seen anything remotely resembling a combo standalone player.

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Yes.

You can make a copy of one disk onto another format.

I do this when I author DVDs. My DVD authoring program doesn't write to DVD+R.

I've had the best success by creating a -R disk, then using a disk copy tool I make +R copies from that.

Now, I'm not 100% certain as to what a standalone DVD recorder does to a disk, but if you get a working disk from it you should be able to make copies of it to any format you like.

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and I haven't seen anything remotely resembling a combo standalone player.

Remember, it's not an either/or thing. This is where the VHS/beta argument breaks down.

Most players (if not all the newer ones) will play both formats.

Again, I'm not sure if a standalone DVD burner makes some weird thing that is only played in like units.

For the money, why wouldn't you look into getting a video capture solution for your PC?

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Well, yeah, but I want an intermediate step of copying it to my hard drive. I don't want two DVD players in my computer.

I can download .iso files that turn into CDs simply enough. I didn't know if .iso handled a full DVD and if it did, if it also specified the format somehow (ie, you could only make a DVD+R from an .iso generated from a DVD+R).

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For the money, why wouldn't you look into getting a video capture solution for your PC?


Three part answer:

1) I have 3 TiVo's (2 of which are combo units), 2 VCRs, a DVD player and a Laserdisc player in my entertainment center. There are no computers anywhere near it. I'd have to build a new computer to put in the living room. Then I have to deal with 20-foot keyboard extensions and power and lots of issues I'm not ready to deal with.

2) I looked and didn't like any of the choices I saw. Can't record HDTV worth a damn yet (well, you can with some capability, but not from DirecTV at all, and you have to jump through serious hoops).

3) No video source near the computer, and besides I use the computer for playing games. I don't want to have to stop playing Asheron's Call just because some TV show I want to record to DVD is coming on. That's why I have a TiVo, after all.

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Well, if you want a PC drive, the Sony plays both sides of the fence, so you can't really go wrong. I do note that future Windows support for Mt. Rainier, where the DVD drive operates as a read-write disk without any special preparation, is for DVD+RW only. (DVD-RW can't handle it.) More and more +RW drives are coming out, but there are also several dual-format drives.



Unfortunately most +RW drives (including the Sony) don't support Mt. Rainier currently so it's something of a moot point if you're buying a drive today. It's possible that some manufacturers may add support later in firmware but I wouldn't base a buying decision on it.

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Is there an .iso-like format where you could (for example) use a standalone recorder (say, the DVD-R985) to make a DVD+R, then copy that to a file on your hard drive, which you could then burn back to either a DVD-R or DVD+R (assuming a combo drive) based on the compatibility where you are going to play it?



Yes, there is an .iso format for DVD's, though I don't know if you can use it to transition between + and -R. I have seen some DVD-ripping software that will do it but I don't know if it's okay to name them in this forum. You might be able to do it for non-encrypted DVD's using common CD/DVD burning software like Nero as well, though I've never tried it.

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In addition to .ISO, like in the CDR world, there are a few other DVD image standards. I use 120% Alcohol for .MDS images, RecordNow Max for .GI and .IMG images, and finally Disc Juggler for .CDI images.

I haven't seen a release date for the LiteOn combo drive yet but IIRC, it was suppose to hit the market in late-Q1 or early-Q2 so I guess it should be "real soon now".

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Well, yeah, but I want an intermediate step of copying it to my hard drive. I don't want two DVD players in my computer.


Sorry, I guess I didn't really understand what you were wanting to do.

You don't need 2 drives on your computer if you've got a dual format drive like the Sony. You just put your disk in, tell it to make a copy and it copies the info to you hard drive (in a temp folder) and then you swap out disks and write to the new format.

I use RecordNow to do this.

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Thanks Bryan, that is the info I was looking for!

Stevel, I am looking at the DVD-R985, and I don't see any speed info on it. Is it a 1x burner? I ask because I'm buying media for the first time and want to get the right stuff, obviously. I've been to Meritline and I see prices for 1x, 2x and even 4x media, which should I use in the DVD-R985?

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