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Archiving recordings to SVCD

Hi, all. Currently I use a Dazzle DVC II to capture recordings from TIVO and burn to SCVD with Nero 5.5. The dazzle card captures an MPEG-2 compliant stream in real-time which Nero can use with the built-in SVCD template. Quality is good and I can record a little over 1 hour on a CD-R or CD-RW. Playback is flawless on my Pioneer DV-343 DVD player. Playback on other DVD players I have tried has varied greatly. Some players will only work with CD-RW media.

Anyone else doing this? Anyone find a better way to archive TIVO recording?

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Originally posted by rcliff:
>I can record a little over 1 hour on a CD-R or CD-RW. Playback is flawless on my Pioneer DV-343 DVD player. Playback on other DVD players I have tried has varied greatly. Some players will only work with CD-RW media.

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Here's a link for a really comprehensive DVD player database that shows compatibility for most players with CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R, DVD-RW, VCD, XVCD, SVCD, etc.
http://www.vcdhelp.com/dvdplayers.php

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Doesnt it irritate you to have to spend the time and money (on TIVO digital video recorder) to digitally record a video source.. then have to spend more time and money (dazzle etc) to replay what is ALREADY a digital recording through the Dazzle with furthur loss and make a second digital recording?.. Yes it makes a perfectly usable SVCD but irks me to no end.. i wish that TiVoNet/Exactstream was better/faster/easier to use or better yet that TiVo would think ahead and provide ethernet and standard MPEG output like the other PVRs coming out this year.



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Originally posted by hinsdale:
Doesnt it irritate you to have to spend the time and money (on TIVO digital video recorder) to digitally record a video source...

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I don't see how there can be ANY valid copyright issues.

If I hook up a Video capture card to my PC and record a TV show then burn it to VCD, there is NO COPYRIGHT Infringment.

How is copying the file from Tivo and then burning it ANY DIFFERENT?

LES

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Originally posted by DBCooper:
[B] That's wierd. It's usually the other way around. CD-RW media can't be read by DVDs when CD-R can.
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Well, the thing with the Dazzle is, well... no matter how well protected the video is on your TiVo, *you can capture it*!

And anyhow, it's not TiVo that really wants to protect it. It's the content providers, aka TiVo's partners.

Plus, right now, it's the easiest way to make VCDs/SVCDs of your TiVo shows (Save to VCR, capture) - none of this mounting via NFS, extracting via TiVoNet, multiplexing, etc stuff. Sure you suffer quality loss, but it beats having to reencode audio and stuff (SVCD requires 44khz sampling. TiVo does 32khz). If you have TiVoNet, then go ahead and use *******Stream. If you don't, and don't feel like setting up a network proper, dazzle's the way to go. Nice too for the few times you don't have a DV camcorder (hmm. Capture video to TiVo, then extract...)

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Originally posted by rcliff:
Hi, all. Currently I use a Dazzle DVC II to capture recordings from TIVO and burn to SCVD with Nero 5.5. The dazzle card captures an MPEG-2 compliant stream in real-time which Nero can use with the built-in SVCD template. Quality is good and I can record a little over 1 hour on a CD-R or CD-RW. Playback is flawless on my Pioneer DV-343 DVD player. Playback on other DVD players I have tried has varied greatly. Some players will only work with CD-RW media.

Anyone else doing this? Anyone find a better way to archive TIVO recording?

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Sony SVR-2000 (140 hr)

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sp, I'll check the settings and post


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rcliff
u r correct. pioneer is the most forgiving of the major brands. sometimes even moreso than apex. you ar also correct about cdrw vs. cdr. many more dvd players will read cdrw than will read cdr.

i also have a dvc2 , but i do not use it to archive stuff from the tivo since this means 2 sets of compression.

if you want to be compatible with other peoples' dvd players, always burn VCD CDRWs. very few dvd players handle SVCD properly. for more info go to www.vcdhelp.com

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Hey rcliff or anyone else.

I've just began capturing shows off my TIVO to putting them on a CD-R. My big problem is picture quality. I'm using the Raedon ATI All In Wonder card which will allow you to capture at MPEG1 and MPEG2.

Here's my story. When I capture using MPEG2 the file size is so big that I can only fit about 10 to 20 minutes of video on a 700 MB CD-R. So I need to capture all my shows using MPEG1 capture setting. What are your capture settings using MPEG2 so the file size is under 700 MB?

Even when I do capture using MPEG1 or MPEG2 and try to bring the file into NERO 5.0 it tells me that it's not a compatible VCD MPEG. So then I have to use another program that makes it compatible.

Do you think these problems might be because of my capture card or Nero 5.0?

I would appreciate any help.....

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Originally posted by DBCooper:
That's wierd. It's usually the other way around. CD-RW media can't be read by DVDs when CD-R can.

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My Sony 330 will read CDRW's just fine, but won't work with practically any CDR's. Silver colored CDR's have been reported to work, but I've not been able to find them easily to try it.

Actually, I'm gonna dump this player and get one that'll do MP3 and so forth. Maybe the parents would like a DVD player, eh?



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According to DVC2's capture software and several VCDs,
you need:

MPEG1 - 352x240 (NTSC) (I think it's 352x25? for PAL) @ 1.15Mbps, 44.1k sampling audio (224kbps) for a VCD.

SVCDs use MPEG2 @ 720x480, 44.1kbps audio, etc.

Otto: I got bunches of silver CD-Rs, I have problems finding the *gold* CD-Rs...

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dditges, you don't have to let Nero reencode the .mpg file for vcd compliance. I burn music mpg files to vcd with the new menu option fine w/ default video bitrate that my ATI TV Wonder use. My friend have 2 dvd players and they both play the disc perfectly. My question is, with your ATI All in Wonder Radeon, couldn't you change the vid bitrate for mpeg 2 files so that 640 megs can fit more than 20 minutes of video?

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Im planning on archiving some of my shows to my new DVD-R drive.. Im waiting for my TivoNet card so I can just ftp over the shows edit them and send them to my dvd-r drive or svcd if I wanted to. Just waiting for that damn TivoNet card to come in stock.. I heard a Rumor take it as it is.. but the new version 2.5 will encrypt the video files on the tivo for those trying to access them from the TivoNet ..

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Hey mdplayer82,

Yes a can adjust my settings to lower the bit rate of my MPEG2, but I still need to use another program to make it an SVCD MPEG2 or Nero gives me an error when I try to burn that file. I have tried ignoring the error and burn the file anyways but the picture and audio skip like crazy.

I would appreciate any idea for some good MPEG1 and MPEG2 settings. This is what I have been using for an MPEG1 file:

Video - 352 x 320
Audio - 44.100 KHz, 16 Bit Stereo
Number of P Frames - 0
Number of B Frames - 0
Bit Rate - 2.69 M / Bit/Second
Motion Estimation Quality 98


Any suggestions?

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